Telegram is an infinitely better user experience then WhatsApp.
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slazer2au@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I will never understand why people switched from WhatsApp to telegram. Tg is just Russian WhatsApp.
RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What are the kids using nowadays? Signal?
oleorun@lemmy.fan 11 months ago
Signal
WhoRoger@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Kids? Instagram
Dougas@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think it’s more TikTok these days
ananesiken@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I very much dislike TikTok and its interface. Even Spotify is trying to imitate it.
RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I guess I meant Kids=the cool kids.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s not as safe to hook up with your dealer on Instagram, silly.
dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You shouldn’t really hook up with dealers anyway. Just buy your drugs and leave. Don’t bang them! They are notoriously exploitative.
Spider89@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Matrix
zzz@feddit.de 11 months ago
Yes Signal is goog
hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Whatsapp doesn’t have even a tiniest bit of telegram functionality, most importantly, bots. The person who made this post bitches about weirdly specific functionality that doesn’t affect you at all. I have a telegram premium (which is dirty cheap) and I never knew I could ban sending VMs, nor I had any reason to do so. Even in the free version you can restrict people who can write to you (e.g. only your contacts), if you don’t like to get VMs from your friends, just tell them. Also, security-wise, we all know that whatsapp gives your data to whatever US authorities ask and tg never did anything like that. All the security risks came from users not paying attention to privacy settings, like exposing their mobile number.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I have a telegram premium (which is dirty cheap)
Is it cheaper than USD 4.99 per month? That’s the cost I could find online. Premium is not available where I live, so I cannot just take a look.
WhoRoger@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As I remember it, nobody had cared about Telegram until Signal started gaining some traction as a more private WA alternative. Telegram just rode that wave, plus I suppose it has better support for large groups I guess? The fact that those aren’t even encrypted just gets lost.
Polar@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Telegram is literally what WhatsApp wishes it could be. Also Pavel doesn’t get along with Russia.
hardypart@feddit.de 11 months ago
It has the absolute best and fluid user experience of all messengers I’ve tried so far, especially if you’re additionally using the desktop client.
Caboose12000@lemmy.world 11 months ago
TIL telegram is Russian and bad. dang.
Pechente@feddit.de 11 months ago
It’s not. The founder is russian and created vKontakte but basically had it taken away from him by Putin. He’s outspoken against the regime and just because he’s born in Russia shouldn’t mean he should be seen as part of that crappy government.
Caboose12000@lemmy.world 11 months ago
thanks this makes me feel better about keeping telegram!
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
No. He was born Russian, but has moved out of it after his other social platform VK was confiscated and now owned the Russia. He lives in Germany, where he placeed Telegram’s HQ.
Caboose12000@lemmy.world 11 months ago
oh this makes me feel much better about staying on telegram, thanks for the info!
dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Telegram is not Russian. The creator is, but that is about it.
dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think they are referring to the large Russian user base.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think they are referring to the large Russian user base.
Telegram is one of the very few ways for uncensored communication and news gathering.
NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Telegram has much better Windows/iPad apps, open source client, faster, more customizable, support for sending lossless-files, etc. It’s a much better app, and not owned by Meta
Delta_44@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My eyes are bleeding…
Kraivo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I really hate whatsapp design for some reason
ananesiken@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Telegram apps are open source, syncs great and accessible from literally everywhere, has great customizability, sends 2 gb files without breaking a sweat, has awesome channels, has bots that is pretty useful… need more reasons?
hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Also, never sold any data to any authorities, all the security issues came from users not paying attention to privacy settings. The stigmatisation of telegram as ‘russian messenger’, even though the team that made it and maintains it left russia a long ago, prevents this software from getting its rightly deserved popularity
Kekzkrieger@feddit.de 11 months ago
privacy should be enabled by default and not through some hidden settings
hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Telegram’s default settings are still way way better for your privacy than whatsapp which doesn’t even has any additional layer of security unlike tg
lattenwald@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Good privacy brings inconvenience, don’t even think this compromise could ever be avoided. Convenient WhatsApp has nothing to do with privacy, whatever their PR department might want you to think.
This compromise is unavoidable, and every user should be forced to make the choice. Every kind of defaults is bad. Can you imagine that a messenger app that forces you to choose your place on the scale of security-convenience during onboarding process gets wide adoption? Me neither…
Telegram defaults are very sane for common users, and they have very easy and convinient way to start a secure chat. Best available messenger app so far.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What’s hidden about Settings > Privacy? We’re not talking about editing some INI file or crawling through the Windows Registry here. I agree with you that some defaults can be better but claiming those are hidden is just wrong, man.
zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Telegram is in every way better. My primary reason for prefering Telegram over anything else are bots (API specifically). I mean bots functionality is so awesome that I can’t properly describe how awesome it is. <3
jannis@feddit.de 11 months ago
It’s not better in every way. WhatsApp is encrypted by default, Telegram not.
moreeni@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Why tf is this downvoted if it’s true? Telegram’s own encryption is a joke, you can’t enable it in group chats or through desktop clients. There’s also part fo ToS that states you can’t use your own encryption in Telegram, which is pretty suspicious of a supposed privacy-friendly messenger
Pechente@feddit.de 11 months ago
People might argue you could just use Discord if you want bots but Discord is so bloated an sluggish in comparison to Telegram’s minimalist native clients for every OS (even Linux).
zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I see Discord as a communication platform while Telegram is a chat app.
I need chat app lol.
Kekzkrieger@feddit.de 11 months ago
Telegram by default does not send end-to-end encrypted messages (only in secret chats) and thus can be considered very unsafe as the server owner can literally read all your messages.
They give the user the impression that they are similar secure to e2e encrypted messengers but really are not since most users just start a normal chat.
This also means that, in theory, surveillance is very possible and likely as the russians are not really to be trusted by anyone. Privacy nightmare.
lattenwald@lemmy.world 11 months ago
WhatsApp by default backs up to Google drive, which is laughably insecure.
I don’t know how good is WhatsApp’s e2e implementation, I’ve heard good things about protocol though. But I do know Telegram protocol documentation contains all information needed to implement e2e capable Telegram client, and their e2e is really good, I’ve seen it done by my friend and as I’m a programmer and am interested in cryptography, I followed his work very closely.
I still do not trust e2e group chats, it’s a shaky point in security protocols. There was some kerfuffle about WhatsApp being able to silently add invisible listeners to group chats, wasn’t there?
Telegram very explicitly chooses the right amount of security and makes user aware of inconveniences this level of security brings along. WhatsApp lies in user’s face, making you think it’s secure and convenient.
fushuan@lemm.ee 11 months ago
IIRC the reason they don’t do e2e encryption is because you can access the information from the desktop without having access to the phone, you cannot do that with whatsapp, every desktop connection must pass through the phone, and that’s mighty annoying.
Yeah, you need to trust them that they will save the data in their servers in a secure way, but they have not betrayed the users’ trust since they are running, and several people trust them.
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Telegram is owned by a person born in Russia, but has long moved out and loves in Germany, where Telegram’s HQ is located
Vega@feddit.it 11 months ago
Telegram is located in Dubai, where did you read about Germany?
ananesiken@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even though not e2e, all messages are still encrypted in their servers. There will always be more private ways to communicate if you are paranoid about that but for a regular user like myself and many others, Telegram offers much more than you could ask, and is not affiliated with big tech.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
When I tap the new message icon in the lower right corner, Telegram asks me which type of message I want to send. There is no default there. Maybe other clients do it differently from the main Android client but here there is no default.
wqzwqz@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Plus the best stickers ever.