Comment on How did people expose wartime atrocities during 1939-45 without internet or social media?
IWW4@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
The press would do that.
Think about when the world woke up to the concentration camps. It wasn’t until the war was over.
animemann80@feddit.online 2 hours ago
That would be up to the audience whether they trusted media outlets at the time, depending on where they live: as German people wouldn’t know about concentration camps since the Nazis censored that from the press, nor will Japanese people know about Nanking or Unit 731 during that era since their own press omits that as the government polices on what information they’re allowed to disclose.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
And that is different from Social Media of today in what way?
I trust the AP a hell of a lot more than anything I see on Youtube or Facebook. Fuck, when it comes down to it I trust Fox News more than any social media outlet, mostly because I know Fox News is propaganda.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 50 minutes ago
In so many ways you can’t even imagine.
Most of it comes down to: things on today’s social media are 99.9% lies, and 1000 different ways of lying are involved all the time. That just wasn’t there. If there were lies in the official media, then it was the exception, not the normal, and the audience often recognized it, because they knew in advance what these “critical” topics were.
But there was also the time dimension. Nobody knew at that time what had happened somewhere else in the same hour. Rarely in the same week. Outcries about war crimes often happened only years later. And that was NOT regarded as a problem but as the normal thing, things were just as they were.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 46 minutes ago
That comment is about people deciding to trust social media.
I will “bite” on your ramblings.
Do you really believe that the press of 1940s Germany and Japan was not 99.9% lies and 1000 different way of lying?
Let’s roll it back even before 1940s. Don’t you think it is strange that it is called Spanish Flu, even though the first case was in Kansas, USA?
animemann80@feddit.online 2 hours ago
They didn’t have modern technology at their fingertips: only radio, newspapers, press and word of mouth. It really depends on what country you lived in during that era (US, UK, Japan, Germany, Russia, France, etc). have their own perspectives regarding the war.
They have their own takes on it, if you grew up in Japan during the 40s: you’ll be brainwashed to believe that Americans are the bad guys (or that’s how the government puts it) while another person from the UK during the same time: you’ll dwell more on the Western front as it’s closer.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
All of that is correct and completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Social media is much more likely to be full of information that is NOT true than to be compltely devoid of information that IS true.
But to your point: that is why Israel now controls TikTok in the United States.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
His point was “it is up to the audience whether or not they trust the press.”
And that is 100% the case when it comes to social media.
That is a totally different topic and completely wrong.
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 2 hours ago
A lot more Germans knew about the concentration camps than just the ones directly involved in it. People didn’t want to know and kept looking away or didn’t care for the people they believed were scum.
animemann80@feddit.online 2 hours ago
It’s conditioned by the Nazis via indoctrinating Germans to hate minorities (even kids were made to join the Hitler Youth) at that time, or true apathy. Unless they were the ones who are being treated the same way by someone else. Like when the Soviets managed to arrive during the latter years of the war, they did mistreat those people (even after the war).
Undvik@fedia.io 1 hour ago
Don't forget that all of Europe had a very strong antisemitism context. The Nazis didn't start from zero on their hate of the Jews, and help from the rest of Europe (and America) was scarce because of that