Comment on Laura Fryer - HR needs to stay in their lane (and out of Game Development)

• scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Who said they’re done with? You’re pulling out just as many extreme examples as you say the video is. God forbid I talk about a nuanced subject where the answer can lie in the middle somewhere. Why must everything here be that there are two polar opposite views and nothing can ever exist beyond those two? I’m not interested in having a conversation with you are going to keep arguing that if I have this position that I must have the most extreme version of the position.

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  • velma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m having a conversation with you. God forbid I reply to your points.

    The video is very strongly opinionated about HR being useless now and that HR is ruining games. It completely ignores WHY HR became so involved in the gaming industry at large. I’m trying to have a conversation with you about it.

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    • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Then have a conversation instead of making accusatory statements about what I must believe like calling me a gamer gater and saying “I’d like to see some sources on this proving that the rampant sexism and toxic work environments have been done away with in the last 5 years before being this confident about it.”

      Of course things aren’t great still, of course there are still bad toxic places to work. I’ve worked at both pure toxic and toxic positivity and they both suck and both should be removed. I’ve had places where I myself went to HR and watched them do an investigation which then ended up with me terminated after I reported people for being godawful. I have also had the opposite happen, where simply disagreeing with an approach means that I’m an agitator and the dreaded “Can we have a few minutes to speak”. They went from doing nothing to protect the employees to now overprotecting everything.

      I’ll agree that she should have talked about why the bell swung in this direction, and she has previously mentioned about her own sexual harassment in the past and that would have been a good time to bring up how she told us how she felt ignored by it. It’s important to understand context to understand why it’s swinging the other way, but now it’s become where everything is so coated in foam that there’s only the “approved” way to do things, which means covering the user in bubble wrap before sending them through the feel-good forests, and it’s making things very boring to play.

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      • velma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Also, I wasn’t the first one to bring up “gamer gaters” in this conversation, but you sure came at me like I was:

        sh.itjust.works/post/65037722/26885280

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      • rursta@retrolemmy.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        What “other way”?
        Capitalists still own the IP to the games.
        Capitalists still larceny from the workers they hire.
        Capitalists still culture their companies with vanguards (HR) or not.
        The overton window is firmly still leaning far right: authoritarian, 1 person owning all the means.

        I am not dear Velma, but I am politically literate enough to know the window has shifted fascist.

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      • velma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        now it’s become where everything is so coated in foam that there’s only the “approved” way to do things, which means covering the user in bubble wrap before sending them through the feel-good forests, and it’s making things very boring to play.

        Is this because of HR or maybe it’s because of capitalism’s penchant for the enshittification of everything? If a product is appealing to everyone, it appeals to no one.

        I think the HR issue is separate from the quality of the games. Indie dev companies are putting out really great quality games at a higher frequency than when AAA games were dominating the marketplace. Maybe there’s an argument that the smaller dev teams don’t need as much involvement from HR because they’re smaller and can police each other better about not being assholes to one another. It’s an interesting topic regardless.

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  • fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’re not the victim

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