Comment on Money doesn't solve everything, but it helps.

• Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Find a nutritionist who will guarantee results after 12 months.

  I’ll wait

  Find a physical therapist who will guarantee results after 12 months

  I’ll wait

  Find any professional who will guarantee results after 12 months when the issue is personal responsibility

  I’ll wait

  You don’t show up, say your week was fine, you have nothing to talk about, you don’t believe in therapy, go home and magically get better.

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  • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yes, you’re right, I was being unfair to therapists there; nobody offers money back guarantees for services.

    That said, I find it kind of repulsive how therapist imply you WILL get better if you just put in the time (ie, give them a lot of money). I’ve seen plenty of therapists, I’ve NEVER had a therapist terminate me because I wasn’t getting better, even though I never got better with any therapist no matter how long I´d seen them. It seems most therapist will happily cash your checks in perpetuity unless you become a problem (suicidal), in which case many therapists will find a way to drop you like a hot potato.

    But if you actually do care about research instead of soaking clients for money, there was a paper that showed that therapy usually starts working after a relatively short time period (maybe 2 months?), so I’d counsel people to stop seeing a therapist if they’re not seeing any benefit from it–a piece of advice nobody you are paying for advice is likely to give you and at least try a different therapist if not a different approach entirely.

    Anyway, my anecdotal or lived experience (depending on if you want to devalue it or value it) is that I only got better when I disassociated myself from the mental health care system. The mental health system CAN do an amazing amount of harm, even unintentionally, and I don’t see a lot of therapist even aware of the possibility.

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    • raze2012@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I find it kind of repulsive how therapist imply you WILL get better if you just put in the time

      Like literally anything else in life? Yes. put in the time, get results.

      Are there exceptions? Yes. medical conditions can make you not see gains in the gym, learning impediments can hinder progress in acedemics. Maybe it’s a bad teacher sometimes, but for the most part: put in time, see results.

      I’ve NEVER had a therapist terminate me because I wasn’t getting better, even though I never got better with any therapist no matter how long I´d seen them.

      Okay. That’s personal responsibility too. How many trainers terminate because you aren’t getting gains fast enough? How many teachers stop tutoring you and say you’re hopleless?

      You can call it perverse incentive, but at the end of the day you gotta speak up for yourself and figure out what works best for you. Sure, if you really have 10 sessions talking to a person and you feel no better than ranting to a friend, you probably need a different approach, But therapists aren’t some magical exception to capitalism.

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      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        If you put in time and effort, everything is possible, except sometimes its not and you have to know the difference. Thank you. Very insightful.

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    • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yes therapists are like shoes. Sometimes you need to try a few, and I can see why most therapists don’t say this (Because their bob shoes) but they really ought to.

      You absolutely 100% do not need a full year, agreed. The therapists should being a form of therapy such as EMDR, or being teaching skills very quickly after your initial appointment.

      If all they ask is ‘How is your day’ with no plan to graduate you, or moved to a lower contact situation - they probably aren’t very good therapists

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      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ok, we agree mostly then. I think I just want people to go in with their eyes open and maintain their autonomy in therapy–be able to say “this isn´t working” and move on if necessary, to another therapy or another way to deal with their problem entirely.

        There’s just a sheer passivity that seems to be implied in these conversation, like “just go to ANY therapist and let them fix you” which I really don’t want to leave unaddressed; glad that’s not what you’re saying.

        Edit: Also, maybe some people do need a full year or even more! My point is only that you should be seeing regular and steady improvement, or at least motion. The idea that you can just hammer yourself with therapy sessions for a long enough time to get healed is wrong.

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