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ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 hours agoYes, the Zuckerberg thing was racist, but it’s also what I’d consider an example of some of the tamest and most common racist jokes. It’s very common to hear from people of all skin tones, and before the last 10 years or so it was extremely common. Most people I know would just roll their eyes at it
Doing apologia for racist material, and wanting moderators to go real easy on people who post it is an odd stance to take.
The user was temp banned for racist material, complains about it being called racist, other users explain why it’s racist, and they dismiss their explanations entirely. If they are not willing to acknowledge that it’s racist, they’re likely to post more racist things that they think isn’t racist. From a moderator’s perspective, that’s not someone you want in your community, as your users don’t want racist stuff showing up their feed.
The user was shown why their stuff was racist, it’s now on them to learn from that experience, or not. If they don’t, they’re going to keep getting banned if they keep posting that content. It’s not terribly relevant to a moderator that a particular user is incapable of understanding their content is racist even ever being informed of it.
Abyssian@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
That last reply from me got fucked up and sent while moving things around, so you probably read a garbled version.
tl’dr:
There are a lot of genuine conditions that could lead to a person to spend so much time between Reddit and here they have 2k posts in 3 months, also have little interest or comfort in conversation so a lot less message history, not have the best grammar and typing, not understand why the first meme they found on Reddit wasn’t ok but also not argue when only the post was deleted, but on the second instance when they’re banned with the reason being racism to start looking for help and support with their entire focus being on it being wrong to call them racist, and fail to understand in that conversation how a meme from a popular post they saw on Reddit with lots of up votes could possibly be racist since it wasn’t there.
That cause being that that person is racist isn’t even one I would consider. You’re thinking you’re being noble and just while you’re punching down.
And for your little “Doing apologia for racist material, and wanting moderators to go real easy on people who post it is an odd stance to take”…
I spent 5 years in a state prison for something I genuinely had zero involvement in because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time while being black. Not everyone’s willing to take their time actually putting thought and reason into understanding someone that seems to be wrongfully accused of something is doing it because they’re guilty of that that. And we both know you absolutely intended the implication that that I was defending this guy because I’m a racist.
I’ve tried to show that racism might not have been the reason for anything the OP has done or said and that all of their actions make complete sense for much different reasons, spending a great deal of time and effort to try showing it’s wrong to judge a user so quickly and harshly. In response you’ve been brief, condescending, dismissive, didatic, and insulting towards me multiple time.
Cheering on the very likely punching down on a DD user trying to contribute to a near dead platform and convincing yourself you’re a moral champion for doing it wasn’t enough to make you feel like a big man? You can go fuck yourself Mr Instance Admin.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Whether or not a poster considers themselves racist is irrelevant from the perspective of the moderator, their job is to keep racist material from being submitted to their communities, and if someone is unwilling to adjust their perception of that content even if the community ties to inform them why it’s not good to post it here, that is the user’s problem, not the moderator. If they get a perma ban from that community, they still can post elsewhere with the knowledge that that type of content isn’t popular here and choose whether or not to keep posting it.
If they still refuse to reevaluate that type of content, keep getting reports on their content, and an admin instance bans them, then at worst they’ll have to make a new account on a different instance. throughout all of those steps the user has the opportunity to try to understand on their end why their posts are getting this negative reaction. If they decide that everyone else is wrong and continue posting things that are perceived as racist, then that’s on them. 🤷
Abyssian@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
You’re misrepresenting this entire thing to again try to make yourselves and the moderator in question seem noble and just. The scenario where “someone is unwilling to adjust their perception of that content even if the community tries to inform them why it’s not welcome to post it here” and that is why they end up banned never happened. The person posted a meme that the majority of humanity would be very unlikely to call racist, that deals with a situation that was in no way race based and was banned with zero communication. No one tried to explain why that wasn’t welcome before the person was banned. They didn’t fail to adjust their perceptions or actions in any way prior to being banned.
After being banned they complained that it wasn’t right to call them racist. That they didn’t mind if people didn’t like some content or decide to delete the content from their community, but that it was wrong to judge the character of a person and call them racist. They said that the same image was up elsewhere with thousands of views, and correctly pointed out that very clearly not everyone interprets it in some sort of racist way. Which given the realities of everything in and around Ceuta makes complete since, as for the 20th time race and racism was in no way involved.
This situation is simple. A moderator banned a user for posting an image that isn’t actually racist. The moderator, and apparently you, have the instances where large numbers of people crossing a border into another place is something that involves two distinct races and the times those instances have been used by racists to try to increase the fear and distrust of the outsider so firmly on your minds that simply seeing a situation where a lot of people crossed a border causes you to assume they were of varying races and assume a post likening it to an invading horde was a racist dog whistle.
But neither of those assumptions are correct. There is nothing at all racist about the image, and the situation (awful as it is) makes even considering that to be laughable. This isn’t a pattern of a user insisting on posting racist content and being “unwilling to adjust their perception of that content even if the community tries to inform them why it’s not welcome to post it here.”
This is an example of moderators and administrators not bothering to take the time to understand a situation and/or communicate with a user before banning them. Then when called out on it, you refuse to accept your interpretation might be incorrect, refuse to admit anyone in charge ever did anything wrong, blame the person who was banned for a LotR meme with no warning, blame them again for trying to seek help on being called racist for said meme, and then while never saying any official response was incorrect and always being sure to blame the user explain how very many different instances and communities there are for them to move to if they were (never wrongfully) banned from one.
Are you interested in a job working in PR? With your willingness to and experience in ignoring any presented logic and factual evidence by those trying to explain why an officer’s interpretation of a person’s actions as a crime was incorrect, misrepresenting the nature of the entire event in question to best describe the citizen corpse as a repeat offender who refused to listen or learn to officers trying to teach them how to do better multiple times before being put down and the people with the masks and guns as being the noble champions of justice who only did what they did to protect themselves and others from harm the facts you’ve been presented with show was entirely imaginary I think ICE might be willing to offer you quite a nice income.
The two things I seem to agree with you on is that racism is bad and self-reflection is good. I had five years of nothing but self-reflection, thought, and reading. You’re willing to criticize others for presumed lack of self-reflection, but it doesn’t seem likely you’ve put a lot of genuine time into it for yourself. Hopefully one day you’re willing to change that. But as you’ve still never once bothered to acknowledge or interact in any way with the basic facts on Ceuta I presented to show you that there was nothing racist about the meme that led to the banning, I’m simply going to block you now.