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I’m not in the US and not super knowledgeable about the DSA, but this isn’t my vibe at all as a blanket statement.

Many members might think what you’re asserting, perhaps, but doesn’t seem to be the organisation’s stated platform at all:

www.dsausa.org

I’m not in love with the ICE collaboration, and using private contractors for “city-run” grocery stores by Mamdani, but the DSA seems faaaaaaaaaaaar better than practically any other organisation with any momentum in the USA.

Perhaps quit your whining and actually do something to push the USA and the DSA organisation, further left. I have no idea what the internal organisation governance is like, but I’d imagine it’d be at least somewhat meaningfully democratically elected.

You and your comrades ought to consider joining to make interventions, which can be even more effective if you do so together.

We leftists should always intervene in the places we can be most effective. (Not an argument for lesser-evilism, an argument for bringing those somewhat further right, further left).

There is no point appealing to the Democratic party establishment in my view, but building a movement via the DSA to essentially take over the Democratic party seems like a decent strategy (the USA having the terrible voting system that is has)

The DSA (to me, from the outside) seems like a good opportunity to make socialist arguments to those who are primed to listen.

Or you know, you can just poo pop them from the outside (and perhaps you’re right to do that, if their aims are completely unacceptable).

They may be a reformist organisation, and not a revolutionary one, but present a very good opportunity to build a working class movement, that eventually becomes revolutionary.

Just some thoughts, you do whatever.

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K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Reform never works, any leftists that ever read any amount of theory knows this

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- Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Nothing works until it does. And revolution has yet to produce a stable communist society on the scale of a major nation, so maybe don’t talk too much shit at the people trying to make the world a better place to live in.
  
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  - K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Anyone thats read an ounce of history knows this method has been tried before countless times. Theres a reason we say get a basic understanding of historical materialism.
    
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- MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So did ya read my comment? I’m not suggesting reformism works, just that you should intervene to move the DSA in a more radical direction.
  
  But it just seems like you want to complain from the sidelines 👍👍👍
  
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BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

There is no point appealing to the Democratic party establishment in my view, but building a movement via the DSA to essentially take over the Democratic party seems like a decent strategy (the USA having the terrible voting system that is has)

That’s basically how MAGA took over the Republican Party, first building momentum from Gingrich’s Contract with America through the Tea Party, and finally to MAGA.

I have no doubt that if the Progressives were able to grab the kind of power in the Democratic Party that MAGA has in the Republican Party, there might be motion toward the same sort of crazy extremism, but at this point, I’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Right now, there is literally the future if humanity at stake. These Sociopathic Oligarchs WILL enslave all of humankind, if they possibly can, and they are actively pursuing that agenda, as we all see every day.

So I’ll worry about leftist over-regulation when it becomes a problem, if it means avoiding Stephen 'PeeWee Himmler" Miller’s Leftist Prisoner Chain Gang of online loudmouths, replacing deported minority farm workers.

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- MisterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  So I’ll worry about leftist over-regulation when it becomes a problem
  
  Not sure if the DSA is your vibe then, since it’s openly anti-capitalist, but again, I’m not from the US and known little about the organisation.
  
  Perhaps some leftists will bring ya along and change your views, or vice versa.
  
  I’m part of Victorian/Australian Socialists, and on the topic of “over-regulation”, I’d much rather see a world where the workers have meaningful control over their workplaces (currently, companies are dictatorships, coerced with the threat of poverty)
  
  I’d much rather have industries regulated by bodies comprised of the willing (which would primarily be the workers in those industries, and whoever else cares) who will discuss and vote on regulation, with an overarching national body keeping them in check. (So, similar to regulators of today that work within legislation, but with the difference that people who are making/voting on the regulations actually know what the fuck they’re talking about)
  
  “Over-regulation” becomes much less necessary when organisations aren’t run purely for profit since the incentives are different. I also think over regulation happens when requirements are made way too inflexible - which isn’t a a feature of socialism nor capitalism. That already happens all over the world under capitalism as well.
  
  Just saying, being very left wing (like me) doesn’t equal over regulation.
  
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