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Photonic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

So to be clear you “know what illiterate means” and you’re gonna double down on how you think I’m illiterate?

Figuratively yes. (It was a joke, like I said before, but which you apparently also failed to read).

Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

Not that I’ve seen.

It was not a rhetorical question.

So you really wanted me to answer whether I was moving goal posts or forgetting? Uhhuhh…

Wow ok then. Didn’t realize you knew so much about most people. Thanks for the evidence.

No problem.

Man, you just fuckin love irony/projection huh?

So you think starting out with:

Gosh darn reality making things hard.

…puts you in the good-faith zone? Yeah I don’t think I’m the one projecting here. LOL

I don’t. Do you think that either of these would be necessary for it to be a non living wage? Do you think all people that work for minimum wage die or live on the street? Or do you think that minimum wage is a living wage?

It’s hardly minimum wage. This is a nice example of moving the goal posts. I won’t move with you.

Oops my bad. What was the thing I’m not getting?

That 50k/yr is a living wage and there are plenty of people who start out with that salary and do fine. And they earn more over the years.

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jve@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Not that I’ve seen.

Sorry so it was a joke or not?

Or is this a joke now.

So you really wanted me to answer whether I was moving goal posts or forgetting? Uhhuhh…

I really did. Thanks for answering the question both the first time, and the second time when you copy/pasted it.

the good-faith zone?

I guess I could have been nicer when replying to your ignorant comment.

It’s hardly minimum wage. This is a nice example of moving the goal posts. I won’t move with you.

This is not an example of moving the goal posts. This was a clear and obvious example of showing you how bad your argument was.

Specifically, it’s a logical fallacy called denying the antecedent.

Eg if A then B

DOES NOT imply that

If NOT A then NOT B

That 50k/yr is a living wage

In many many parts of the us, this is simply not a living wage. It’s borderline poverty.

livingwage.mit.edu

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- Photonic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Sorry so it was a joke or not? Or is this a joke now.
  
  I clearly wrote, for the third time now: the word illiterate was a joke about your lack of understanding a simple written sentence.
  
  I guess I could have been nicer when replyto your ignorant comment.
  
  Maybe you’re hallucinating things now. There was nothing ignorant about my comment. Your sarcastic bullshit was simply asinine right off the bat. I was having a chat with that other guy and here you come barging in, your idiocy on full display. You’re not projecting that shit on me. Get it away from me.
  
  This is not an example of moving the goal posts. This was a clear and obvious example of showing you how bad your argument was.
  Specifically, it’s a logical fallacy called denying the antecedent.
  Eg if A then B
  DOES NOT imply that
  If NOT A then NOT B
  
  If they’re not dead it means they’re living. If they’re not homeless it means they have a home.
  It was a reductio ad absurdum, and like I said, not questions one should really answer.
  
  In many many parts of the us, this is simply not a living wage. It’s borderline poverty.
  
  Teachers are living perfectly normal lives and they are not all on the brink of poverty. Sure they don’t drive the nicest car, but if that is what you think is important, just go work for Evil inc. instead.
  
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  - jve@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    I clearly wrote, for the third time now: the word illiterate was a joke about your lack of understanding a simple written sentence.
    
    You did. You also doubled down and yet again with “none that I’ve seen”.
    
    So this was an extra joke? Hilarious.
    
    There was nothing ignorant about my comment
    
    There was and is. The comment were referring to is the one where you said “it’s not that hard” right?
    
    That ignorant as fuck comment?
    
    If they’re not dead it means they’re living
    
    So to be clear, everybody who is not dead or homeless is making a living wage? Is that your argument?
    
    So by your standards they should have a living wage.
    
    This appears to be your standard. Not mine.
    
    If I am misconstruing your standard, what is your standard?
    
    Mine is that they should be able to afford reasonable shelter and food without having to find roommates or other external sources of income.
    
    Also, it was reductio ad absurdum
    
    That is what I used, yes. You did not.
    
    Teachers are living perfectly normal lives and they are not all on the brink of poverty.
    
    Why do you keep generalizing it to “all”? Where did “all” come into the conversation?
    
    erstrategies.org/…/average-teacher-salary-is-belo…
    
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    Photonic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    I’ve understood
    
    Doubt.
    
    The comment were referring
    
    We’re*
    And you can pick whichever you want. You still haven’t made a case why any of them are ignorant. Using the word doesn’t make it so.
    
    So to be clear, everybody who is not dead or homeless is making a living wage? Is that your argument?
    
    Well…
    
    Mm yes, he forgot to mention the silly extra requirements of food and shelter.
    
    … apparently it’s yours. Which is why the reductio ad absurdum was mine, but nice try at trying to make it seem like you can read.
    
    to be your standard
    
    Still nope, see above.
    
    Mine is that they should be able to afford reasonable shelter and food without having to find roommates or other external sources of income.
    
    More movement of the goal posts I see… whatever happened to food and shelter?
    
    Why do you keep generalizing it to “all”?
    
    What’s your point? Why shouldn’t I generalize? We don’t know the financial situation of each teacher so we can only speak in general terms.
    
    And for the umpteenth time: it’s not about the teachers, or the nurses, or whatever job. The fact that teachers are underpaid is something I already addressed in the comment you responded to. So I don’t know what you’re trying to argue.
    
    The premise was that the jobs were hard to find. They are not. Period.
    
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