Comment on How can AI act without initial human input? Does this show AI can have freewill or am I deceived?
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 week agoI agree with every statement here except the last. The whole history of AI is pretty much a sequence of:
- “It will be real AI when it can do ‘this’.”
- Programmers figure out a way to make it do ‘this’.
- “Okay, it’s doing ‘this’, but not in a way we would call AI.”
- “Alright, then what would you need for something to be AI?
- Return to the top.
LLMs are pretty amazing and they can do some things very well, and reasonably fit under the category of AI, but not so much what is referred to as AGI. And they’re developed using some really shitty practices, etc. But prior to their invention, the idea that we could have a computer do what they do was a reasonable idea of what AI would be.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Not really. LLMs are chatbots predicated on taking an information set, and determining that given a prompt of “how do I make a PB&J” It’s going to go through its’ database, Find the most common responses to that string, and may be strings related to it, and give you a synthesis of the most statistically relevant answers.
It has no understanding of what it’s regurgitating.
This is a dumb-as-rocks algorithm with a huge database of stolen material regurgitating the most common associations from that material based on your prompt. The algorithm is pretty clever, don’t get me wrong (and it sort does this multiple-pass thing) But it’s not particularly impressive narrow artificial intelligence.
I never said they weren’t “AI”… I said they barely rate the term, They’re right up there with the algorithms in your phone that eventually learn that no, you did not mean “ducky” you meant “fucky”. Eliza is also an AI, but you wouldn’t look back at it.
The reason we’re stuck in that loop is because we don’t know. So we’re looking at examples and being like ‘not yet’, then something new comes around and ‘not yet.’ for that, too.
AGI is an entirely different monster; and the troublesome thing about it is… we don’t even know if we have free will. Determinism is something we’re actively looking at, and the only good answer is “we don’t know”. we don’t even know how to quantify consciousness- which, from evidence, arises out of complexity, but we don’t really understand how that works. (see octopus and cuddlefish intelligence. It’s totally different than ours.)