I thinj you could the campaign but because Call of Duty games still require insane amounts of updates for multiplayer and that was what I was playing no.
However, I have a lot of games that I can run straight away off the discs those are always single player games though.
Doesn’t change that you can’t resell or trade digital though even DRM free. Disc was the only way to do that despite updates or whatever else it was transferable
Thing is, both Microsoft and Sony had this exact infrastructure built ready to go for Xbox One and PS4 prior to launch.
We were going to get full digital collections with a marketplace that would allow entitlement sales AND the ability to loan entitlements to friends for set periods of time.
When Microsoft announced the plans at E3 2013, a whiny minority of “core gamers” kicked up such a fuss that Microsofts stock tanked and they backpedalled… Sony hadn’t made any announcements yet and presented the EXACT opposite of Microsoft’s plan literally 8 hours later despite the fact that their existing hardware DevKits and system software functioned exactly as Microsoft had described. Sony got to look like the “hero” while both of them then scrambled to completely reengineer their hardware and system software prior to launch…
There is an opportunity to work with these companies toward defining what consumers actually want, but as long as the response they get is this petulant luddite outrage of “physical media or death” what is their motivation?
You can’t make yourself unreasonable then expect people to reason with you.
Also, those launch discs might be playable, but you know as well as I do that it’s the absolute smallest and worst version of the game. Software IS a service now, and that’s fucking great because it means the thing you pay for once gets better better over time. You don’t get that with any other consumer product.
I thought this was a scheme where you sell it back to Microsoft and they give you a few cents back on it, NOT where you could trade games between other players and that was why it wasn’t received well.
It is not unreasonable to want to own or resell a game I buy I understand that can’t be done on digital only PC storefronts but when the only other option is to buy digital on PC or PlayStation of you have both someone would be crazy to buy it on the one where they have to pay an ongoing subscription (that just increased!) To play it online.
Every single single player game I’ve gotten in the last 5 years have been on discs because I could sell it after I beat it and I was able to do that on Facebook marketplace for no fees and everyone was happy with the price. Now that that is being taken away I will just let my PlayStation collect dust and stop updating it until a jailbreak is available for it so I can copy the game files and actually own them.
I have bought every PlayStation since PS1 and have slowly watched them turn themselves into an anti consumer brand that values the C Suite and shareholders over what players actually want.
in a misleading way that heavily favors digital dominance. By calculating the digital ratio using total full-game software units—which naturally clumps digital-only indie titles, free-to-play titles, and older games with no active physical printing together with new AAA releases—the resulting percentages look overwhelmingly digital.
That right there, is the opposite of how Sony used to be.
Also no, because the game on disc has the ability to be updated and then it runs just exactly like any other game for the system. This can be a problem when they shut down their servers in 20 years but by that time a jailbreak will be ready to rock and I can update it anyway without their servers just like I do for PS4 and PS3 already.
The entire point, is that you get a game that runs the exact same as a digital download but you can sell it. I’ve basically gotten every single player game for 20-30% off by selling the one I finished before on Facebook marketplace (or if I feel like being robbed of its fair value I could take it to GameStop) and now that will not exist and since its the choice between a shitty digital store that literally JUST TOOK AWAY PEOPLES LEGAL PURCHASES (stole) vs the one that let’s you download games you bought from their servers even after the publishers don’t sell them anymore then its a very easy choice to never fuck with PlayStation ever again.
The only way I can see this working is if they let you trade games to other players in a public like marketplace not where they offer to give you $2 back when you revoke the license back to them like Xbox was trying to do.
It is not unreasonable to want to own or resell a game I buy I understand that can’t be done on digital only PC storefronts
This absolutely CAN be done, and again, MS and Sony built the infrastructure to support it. Steam could as well.
digital store that literally JUST TOOK AWAY PEOPLES LEGAL PURCHASES (stole)
Again, you NEVER owned the game, period. Every single game you have ever purchased (even cartridge ones) came with an EULA explicitly stating that the game itself was licensed, not sold, that the studio/publisher had no legal duty to provide access for any specific period of time. You can go look at the games on your shelf RIGHT NOW and confirm this.
The only way I can see this working is if they let you trade games to other players in a public like marketplace not where they offer to give you $2 back when you revoke the license back to them like Xbox was trying to do.
Do you have any source for this claim? Because I worked with the products during this timeframe and this is contrary to my understanding and every piece of NDA’d documentation I read.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I thinj you could the campaign but because Call of Duty games still require insane amounts of updates for multiplayer and that was what I was playing no.
However, I have a lot of games that I can run straight away off the discs those are always single player games though.
Doesn’t change that you can’t resell or trade digital though even DRM free. Disc was the only way to do that despite updates or whatever else it was transferable
TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Thing is, both Microsoft and Sony had this exact infrastructure built ready to go for Xbox One and PS4 prior to launch.
We were going to get full digital collections with a marketplace that would allow entitlement sales AND the ability to loan entitlements to friends for set periods of time.
When Microsoft announced the plans at E3 2013, a whiny minority of “core gamers” kicked up such a fuss that Microsofts stock tanked and they backpedalled… Sony hadn’t made any announcements yet and presented the EXACT opposite of Microsoft’s plan literally 8 hours later despite the fact that their existing hardware DevKits and system software functioned exactly as Microsoft had described. Sony got to look like the “hero” while both of them then scrambled to completely reengineer their hardware and system software prior to launch…
There is an opportunity to work with these companies toward defining what consumers actually want, but as long as the response they get is this petulant luddite outrage of “physical media or death” what is their motivation?
You can’t make yourself unreasonable then expect people to reason with you.
Also, those launch discs might be playable, but you know as well as I do that it’s the absolute smallest and worst version of the game. Software IS a service now, and that’s fucking great because it means the thing you pay for once gets better better over time. You don’t get that with any other consumer product.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I thought this was a scheme where you sell it back to Microsoft and they give you a few cents back on it, NOT where you could trade games between other players and that was why it wasn’t received well.
It is not unreasonable to want to own or resell a game I buy I understand that can’t be done on digital only PC storefronts but when the only other option is to buy digital on PC or PlayStation of you have both someone would be crazy to buy it on the one where they have to pay an ongoing subscription (that just increased!) To play it online.
Every single single player game I’ve gotten in the last 5 years have been on discs because I could sell it after I beat it and I was able to do that on Facebook marketplace for no fees and everyone was happy with the price. Now that that is being taken away I will just let my PlayStation collect dust and stop updating it until a jailbreak is available for it so I can copy the game files and actually own them.
I have bought every PlayStation since PS1 and have slowly watched them turn themselves into an anti consumer brand that values the C Suite and shareholders over what players actually want.
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in a misleading way that heavily favors digital dominance. By calculating the digital ratio using total full-game software units—which naturally clumps digital-only indie titles, free-to-play titles, and older games with no active physical printing together with new AAA releases—the resulting percentages look overwhelmingly digital.
That right there, is the opposite of how Sony used to be.
Also no, because the game on disc has the ability to be updated and then it runs just exactly like any other game for the system. This can be a problem when they shut down their servers in 20 years but by that time a jailbreak will be ready to rock and I can update it anyway without their servers just like I do for PS4 and PS3 already.
The entire point, is that you get a game that runs the exact same as a digital download but you can sell it. I’ve basically gotten every single player game for 20-30% off by selling the one I finished before on Facebook marketplace (or if I feel like being robbed of its fair value I could take it to GameStop) and now that will not exist and since its the choice between a shitty digital store that literally JUST TOOK AWAY PEOPLES LEGAL PURCHASES (stole) vs the one that let’s you download games you bought from their servers even after the publishers don’t sell them anymore then its a very easy choice to never fuck with PlayStation ever again.
The only way I can see this working is if they let you trade games to other players in a public like marketplace not where they offer to give you $2 back when you revoke the license back to them like Xbox was trying to do.
TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This absolutely CAN be done, and again, MS and Sony built the infrastructure to support it. Steam could as well.
Again, you NEVER owned the game, period. Every single game you have ever purchased (even cartridge ones) came with an EULA explicitly stating that the game itself was licensed, not sold, that the studio/publisher had no legal duty to provide access for any specific period of time. You can go look at the games on your shelf RIGHT NOW and confirm this.
Do you have any source for this claim? Because I worked with the products during this timeframe and this is contrary to my understanding and every piece of NDA’d documentation I read.