Yes it did when it started the settler colonial project and ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948 and all the subsequent oppression.
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ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months agoIsrael didn’t start the war.
febra@lemmy.world 5 months ago
DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 months ago
Jews started out buying the land legally until Arab nationalists started murdering them, making a one state solution impossible, then declared war on Israel when they used the UN's two state borders.
Arabs who remained peaceful and stayed behind the 48 borders were not "ethnically cleansed," and today are 20% of the citizens of Israel. Perhaps that oppression is due to constant violent attacks and a refusal to lay down arms and has nothing to do with ethnicity.
febra@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Buying the land legally from other occupiers, the Brits. The native population was never asked if they wanted to receive an influx of refugees from Europe, refugees that other European countries and the US straight up refused to take in.
Besides that, many Palestinians were indeed ethnically cleansed, and this is not even a debated fact, former Israeli soldiers came clean about it in interviews, talking in great detail about all the war crimes they committed.
The 20% Arabs in Israel you are talking about, although Israeli citizens, still do not enjoy the same rights as the jewish population.
I know all of this, I’ve been to Israel, I have jewish ancestry and relatives there.
S_204@lemm.ee 5 months ago
LoL. This is just so stupid. The UN offered the Arabs the same deal. One side chose peace the other chose war.
In the 30s the Arabs were offered more than they were in 48 and didn’t want peace then.
900,000 Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab Nations in the 40s. The Arab population in Israel has risen by tenfold since the inception of Israel. The population of Gaza has increased by a similar level.
You’ve fallen victim to Arab imperialist propaganda.
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Hmmm yes let me take half your land then offer you a peace deal. Then claim you’re the one who’s causing the problems when you don’t take that “peace” deal. Ridiculous.
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 5 months ago
People like you always seem to wanna start the story at October 7th while ignoring any relevant history before it. In case you don’t know, israel and the zionist project took over Palestinian land and as a result almost a million Palestinians fleed palestine. Amongst many others who were killed. What I find interesting is that zionists in their correspondance with the British at the time is that they weren’t pressed about getting palestine to be their homeland, they were okay in finding somewhere else. One of the other possibilities was Uganda for example.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Many, many people have been fighting over the land for thousands of years if you really want to go back. As far as I’m concerned, the land belongs to whoever can hold it.
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Here’s a question for you, is morally okay to kill innocent children and women?
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
If that was the qualification for losing the right to the land then the Palestinians would have lost it long ago
Lime66@lemmy.world 5 months ago
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The Jewish people came from Egypt no? And occupied other people’s land. And when they did take over Palestine it wasn’t in its entirety. If you count the number of years they lived there and had control over the land vs the amount they didn’t. Then you’d see the amount that they didn’t is greater than the amount they were there.
PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
No. They likely didn’t come from egypt.
shadowspirit@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, so mass rape and terrorism is OK in your book of the ends justify the means?
Reality is Israel was in talks with Saudi Arabia to normalize relations and Iran didn’t want that at all and they gave Hamas the green light to attack.
Everything that happens in that region is about Saudi Arabia and Iran.
NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No one said its okay. You’re very good at strawmaning me. If Hamas did commit such acts then of course there should be proper justice. However, proper justice isn’t blowing up innocent people and children. Just like you don’t blow up a school when there’s a school shooter.
shadowspirit@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We agree on that. Where we disagree is in saying Hamas didn’t start this current conflict. They certainly did. Has shit been going on here for millenia…of course. The “strawman” was to remind you of the fact this opened with mass rape and murder at a music festival – that’s a fact.
You seemed to argue that thousand years of history seemingly justifies that and I’m telling you that it does not.