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• Fuckswearwords@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Same for Isaac Hayes (Chef), though less murdered and more natural causes.

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  • Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Chef was written out because Isaac Hayes lost his suit when South Park went hard on Scientology. They killed off the character well before Hayes died.

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    • Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      IDK What suit your talking about. Isaac Hayes suffered a stroke after the episode aired, and the Church of Scientology released a statement on his behalf. Hayes’ son set the record straight over a decade after his dad died. Here’s the tweet.

      For over 14 years, people have speculated about why my father @isaachayes left South Park. I’m here to set the record straight. My dad did not quit South Park. Scientology did.

      After the episode Trapped in the Closet aired in 2005, my father suffered a stroke just a few months later that left him unable to speak or make decisions on his own. He was not in any condition to resign from anything. The truth is, someone else within his Scientology circle made that decision and quit the show for him.

      He loved being the voice of Chef. He loved the character. He loved connecting with fans. He would joke with people who recognized his voice, and he truly enjoyed being part of the show.

      The narrative that he quit because he was offended by the satire is not true. That was a cover story created by others. My father never got to speak for himself because his health robbed him of that chance.

      So now I am speaking for him. He did not leave South Park willingly. He was forced out by illness and by people who did not have his best interest at heart.

      This is for anyone who loved Chef. This is for anyone who admired my father’s work. This is the truth about what really happened.

      Here is the original tweet. Hayes son has also said this in an interview.

      Hayes previously stated that although he didn’t like those jokes, he got them and still liked being a part of the show. I’m pretty sure South Park made jokes about Scientology before this episode. So why wouldn’t he have left earlier if that was what he had a problem with?

      Here is even more info about it.

      So we can all stop down voting OP for being correct.

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      • TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Lol I love how you and I basically made the same arguments against two different people trying to shift blame away from Scientology. It’s almost like nobody listened to Kyle when he said the most important line from that episode aka Matt and Trey talking directly to the audience:

        We shouldn’t be mad at Chef. We should be mad at that fruity little club for scrambling his brains

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      • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Guess wikipedia has it all wrong then. Random internet stranger is better than wikipedia.

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  • Davel23@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No, Chef was removed at the request of one of his family members because of his association with Scientology. Isaac Hayes died two years after the removal of Chef.

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    • OS2Warp@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      discuss.online/comment/23621137

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  • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Chef was written out for being a hypocritical scientologist who was fine with trashing everyone up until they put cruise in the closet. They killed him off in a you ain’t ever coming back way. He died two years after they killed him off in the show.

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    • TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think you’re forgetting two key factors here: one is that he suffered a stroke in 2006 and didn’t really do much of ANY work after that. According to one of his 11 sons (holy shit my dude), Isaac Hayes III:

      Isaac Hayes did not quit South Park; someone quit South Park for him. What happened was that in January 2006 my dad had a stroke and lost the ability to speak. He really didn’t have that much comprehension, and he had to relearn to play the piano and a lot of different things. He was in no position to resign under his own knowledge. At the time, everybody around my father was involved in Scientology — his assistants, the core group of people. So someone quit South Park on Isaac Hayes’ behalf. We don’t know who. My father was not that big of a hypocrite to be part of a show that would constantly poke fun at African-American people, Jewish people, gay people — and only quit when it comes to Scientology. He wouldn’t be that hypocritical.

      Now whether you choose to believe all that or not is up to you, but the other key factor you forgot to consider is that Scientology IS a cult. From the limited amount of data we’ve been able to gleam from their internal workings, they have a habit of forcing their members to constantly push themselves beyond their limits, regardless of what any medical doctor would advise; because in their warped worldview, all faults or shortcomings, mental and physical, are all just the result of Thetans and can be overcome, regardless of the health of the individual. We have some anecdotes of people who have left with claims that the ‘Chirch’ would use typical cult behaviors that all amounted to increased control over their victims: borderline starvation, massive amounts of physical exercise to promote exhaustion, recontextualizing their worldview to make all this horseshit more acceptable, etc.

      Anyway, my point is, Hayes died at the age of 65 after a recurrence of the previously mentioned stroke and was found lying on the floor next to a still-running treadmill. In my (unprofessional) opinion, Scientology killed him, simple as that. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it was deliberate, nor that Hayes was ENTIRELY guilt-free (he did still join them initially), but the fact is that the last several years of his life were almost completely controlled for him and the people behind those decisions clearly put the CoS first and Hayes at a very distant second

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      • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        None of it was mentioned at the time. It seems more likely is revisionist history. Which is understandable since its originating from the family. I know what scientology is. As I know what a cult is. A cult is a small unpopular religion. A religion is a large popular cult. Which one hubbards brainfart low grade fantasy fiction falls under is debatable and redundant. He gave up his control and that is on him and only him. Blaming a MLM scheme hiding as a religion for a death is pointless since there was nothing that prevented him from breaking away as others have done.

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  • osanna@lemmy.vg ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    didn’t isaac hayes have an argument with matt and trey, because hayes was a massive figure in the scientology space, and south park making an episode criticising scientology? that’s what i heard.

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    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I recall Matt and Trey said he wasn’t all that upset, he just wouldn’t take part in that specific episode. But then after the episode aired there was a falling out. But maybe he had a stroke?

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      • osanna@lemmy.vg ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m not 100% on the deets, but i know there was something about scientology. He did have a stroke though, but that was after the south park/scientology stuff though.

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    • OS2Warp@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      discuss.online/comment/23621137

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      • osanna@lemmy.vg ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Ah. Thanks

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