Comment on British public more likely to prefer Count Binface wins Clacton by-election than Nigel Farage
FishFace@piefed.social 19 hours agoYou’re assuming that the “same showing” would see every person who voted for someone other than Farage vote for a joke candidate.
The premise of the “same showing” is already clearly implausible, without adding that on top
No because it’s percentage of the vote not quantity of votes.
All sorts of things could happen, perhaps the poor turn out in the last by-election was because people assumed he was a shoe in so didn’t bother to vote. Perhaps people forgot (it seems like the sort of place where voter apathy is quite high). Perhaps people will be more likely to vote in this election because it seems funny. Perhaps he has really pissed off a lot of his voters due to his complete absenteeism from the position.
All of these possibilities don’t change the fact that your assumption about the “same showing” is unrealistic. You can’t have the same showing because the candidates previously standing are not, so where do you allocate their votes? Do you think none of the 116 people who voted UKIP (yes, they still existed in 2024!) might vote Farage over Binface? What about a few of the 12,820 people who voted Conservative? Any of them might align better with Farage policies than “nationalise Adele”?
If you literally have the same showing you’ll have 21,225 votes for Farage, zero votes for any other candidate, and Farage will win with 100% of the vote.
There are a few far-fetched ways in which Binface could win. It’s possible - I don’t dispute that - but unlikely. My point, though, was about your argument based on the “same showing”.
Ah I see, so you’ve divided the world into your enemies and your allies and you think that people who you previously saw as your enemy will still be your enemy. The thing to remember is they don’t know you exist, nor do they care about what you’re thinking.
In the last election they might have voted for the conservatives because they wanted the conservatives to be in charge, a vote for the conservatives is also a vote against Farage, so perhaps they don’t want Reform and will vote for whatever least worst option is presented in order to not get Reform. In the last election that was a Conservative candidate, in this election that’s not an option so it’s binface or Farage, and if they’re voting against him then literally anything will be better.
perhaps their primary motivation is they don’t want Reform and will vote for whatever least worst option is presented in order
his antics over the last 2 years may very well have pissed quite a lot of his original voters off.
Let me remind you of the words you are trying to defend:
That same showing this time would lose him the vote
What “same showing” are you talking about? I think by this point it’s clear you meant something other than what you said. Since my issue was with what you said, not whatever you meant to say, it’s better we leave it here.
StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 19 hours ago
in our causality, is binface really a joke candidate?
FishFace@piefed.social 18 hours ago
Is this a joke comment? Of course he’s a joke candidate.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Because he is a lot more sane than the other candidate.
FishFace@piefed.social 3 hours ago
Being sane relative to someone else is completely unrelated to being a joke candidate. Next?
echodot@feddit.uk 18 hours ago
But this isn’t a normal by-election this is a by-election caused by someone who is under investigation for parliamentary misconduct and also is simultaneously under police investigation for criminal conspiracy to handle stolen money.
The normal rules don’t apply.
FishFace@piefed.social 17 hours ago
This is a candidate with a fucking bin on their head, are you seriously questioning whether they’re a joke candidate?
Look, I get that we all really want Binface to win but that does not mean he is not a joke. That’s the whole bloody point.
And, in context, because he is a joke candidate wearing a bin, there will be lots of people who won’t bother voting for him. (While many of Farage’s faithful will turn out) Sorry to break to you what every sane person with an opinion is predicting…
Zorque@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Don’t they? Do you think they didn’t know exactly who they were voting for last time? And if the only other option is a guy who plays a space alien with a bin on their head do you think they’ll actually show up?
The option isnt necessarily one or the other, its “do I even bother to show up at all?”
If you have two joke candidates, why bother voting for either? Meanwhile the people who have voted for Farage in the past will likely continue to do so.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
And Nigel Farage is not a joke candidate? He took a £5M bribe in crypto, now seeks re election?
Ich bin ein binliner.
FishFace@piefed.social 14 hours ago
Did I say that? Try to stay on topic.
You don’t even think that Farage is a joke candidate in the same way that Binface is. Sure, Binface can crack a joke that Farage is a “joke candidate” and it makes sense but it is not the same sense.
You think Farage is a joke because he’s deserving of ridicule. But Binface is a joke because he purposefully invites ridicule.
BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk 18 hours ago
But he’s the establishment candidate! Just ask Farage!