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• IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  brain dead is considered dead.

  no matter if cells still have atp.

  it’s a corpse.

  there’s no biological definition for human death. besides a vague “is it curable”

  death used to be cardiac death, but we figured out how to save people who had cardiac death, so we move the goalpost to brain death.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If brain dead is dead bacteria are dead.

    A brain dead body isn’t a person, but that doesn’t make it a corpse. All the biological functions continue. The ATP cycle continues. The body takes in nutrients and uses them to maintain their nirmal biological functions. Corpses don’t do that.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      that isn’t biology, it’s philosophy.

      we don’t have a good definition of What’s alive either

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Actually we do have a pretty solid biological definition for life.

        That which takes in nutrients, processes them to support itself, and expells waste products. Anything that dose those things is life. That’s why viruses aren’t considered alive. They don’t do those things.

        The person part you’re right, is more philosophical. I only mention it because it seems to better fit what people are calling “dead” in this case.

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  • Err0r_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s literally not a corpse, it’s a brain-dead person / body.

    You started this debate with Steve by using sensationalizing language, and I’m here to provide definitions and lay this discussion to rest:

    www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/…/brain-dead?q…

    www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/…/corpse?q=Cor…

    We can all agree that what they’ve done is horrible, there’s no need to distort language to make a point.

    A corpse can not carry a pregnancy, a brain-dead body apparently can if assisted.

    I’ll see myself out.

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4206160/

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      • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Is brain death death” and “is a brain-dead person a corpse” are two different questions. The answer to the first is yes, the second is no. You can be dead, but until your body starts decomposing it’s not a corpse.

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  • troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s simple not correct. A corpse would have more rights to autonomy. You can’t force a corpse to donate live saving organs, but you can make a woman.

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