Comment on He was no friend to the middle class

• Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Good, bad, fascist, whatever, doesn’t matter, to a disagreement on nomenclature. A biologically functioning body with a working ATP cycle, isn’t a corpse.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    brain dead is considered dead.

    no matter if cells still have atp.

    it’s a corpse.

    there’s no biological definition for human death. besides a vague “is it curable”

    death used to be cardiac death, but we figured out how to save people who had cardiac death, so we move the goalpost to brain death.

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    • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If brain dead is dead bacteria are dead.

      A brain dead body isn’t a person, but that doesn’t make it a corpse. All the biological functions continue. The ATP cycle continues. The body takes in nutrients and uses them to maintain their nirmal biological functions. Corpses don’t do that.

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      • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        that isn’t biology, it’s philosophy.

        we don’t have a good definition of What’s alive either

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    • Err0r_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s literally not a corpse, it’s a brain-dead person / body.

      You started this debate with Steve by using sensationalizing language, and I’m here to provide definitions and lay this discussion to rest:

      www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/…/brain-dead?q…

      www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/…/corpse?q=Cor…

      We can all agree that what they’ve done is horrible, there’s no need to distort language to make a point.

      A corpse can not carry a pregnancy, a brain-dead body apparently can if assisted.

      I’ll see myself out.

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      • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4206160/

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    • troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s simple not correct. A corpse would have more rights to autonomy. You can’t force a corpse to donate live saving organs, but you can make a woman.

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• dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How does this have upvotes? Calling someone fascist for thinking a living body isn’t a corpse? Man this place is such a shit hole sometimes.

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• brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I understand the fascist comment earlier, this time not sure how you define it?

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