Duolingo has helped me get to a very learned point.
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bdonvr@thelemmy.club āØ11ā© āØmonthsā© agoI mean yes a ton of it has to do with motivation, but the āgamificationā is hugely overstated. It is incredibly, unbearably, repetitive and bland. Most people start with a lot of desire and determination, see little result for the time they put in, get bored of the same three formats of questions, then quit or just do the absolute bare minimum to keep their streak for a while before eventually missing that. The way they present the questions makes it so easy to guess that you hardly have to think a lot of times. The larger courses are so dauntingly long that once you realize how much time youāre going to have to spend selecting words from a bank, clicking the corresponding icon, or typing what you hear.
Iāve tried many times. Many people Iāve known have been through the same cycle. I donāt think Iāve seen it work.
This time around I wanted to learn Spanish, and tried the Comprehensible Input method. Man, for me at least, it has worked so so much better that itās not even comparable. In terms of progress, fun, and motivation itās been great for me. It basically boils down to listening to a ton of the language, but at a level you can at least follow along even if you donāt know every word. You start with really simple stuff with lots of visual aids, hand gestures, repetition. After a while you move on to content with a little less aids, and shows for young children, etc. No translation or teaching of grammar.
Iāve been at it for about four months and have listened to over 300 hours of content in Spanish. The beginning is absolutely a slog still because at that level you canāt understand much thatās actually interesting, but the moment you get to the point that you can follow some simpler dubbed content and easier stuff like travel/lifestyle vlogs on YouTube it becomes ridiculously easy. You become more focused on the CONTENT than the language. Reading comes later when youāve really got the sounds of the language ingrained in your brain, so you donāt practice/reinforce bad pronunciation as you read.
Admittedly though, in most languages you will find it incredibly hard to find content for the very beginner level like this. Spanish has Dreaming Spanish which is a godsend, English has plenty of resources. Perhaps for most languages youāll have to use more traditional methods to work your way up to the point that you can understand. Or have a patient one on one teacher (friend) that can do whatās called ācrosstalkā in which you speak your language to them, and they speak to you in the language youāre learning. (With as much visual aid as necessary for your level). Thereās been effort to create more beginner content for languages other than Spanish, but I donāt think anything has touched the library of content Dreaming Spanish has yet.
At this point, I can follow most day to day conversations if they donāt stray into odd topics. I can watch dubbed shows for kids/young adults (just finished Avatar: The Last Airbender) and follow enough to be more than enjoyable. News and simpler unscripted content is no issue as well. Native media, especially scripted media, is still too hard. I notice I struggle far less with abstract things other learners seem to have problems with like āser vs estarā, āpor vs paraā, etc. One just feels more right in whatever situation but I couldnāt tell you why. For only four months self-directed learning for a few hours a day I think thatās pretty incredible. I can tell week by week that Iām improving.
For a more thorough explanation check out this playlist (turn on subtitles itās in Spanish.) youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GrtxQ9yde-Jā¦
Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world āØ11ā© āØmonthsā© ago
angrystego@lemmy.world āØ11ā© āØmonthsā© ago
I guess there are different kinds of people and for some, Duo works, while for others it doesnāt. I still think itās a great tool