Comment on Hello, Lemmy!

garbage_world@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Or, to put it another way, right-wing ideology is based almost completely on the axiom that normal people are lesser, degenerate, evil, and not deserving of basic human rights. Consequently, they see any disagreement (by anybody, including reality) with their shibboleths as an attack. Predictably, it doesn’t go well when a right-wing folks leave their echo chambers, and seem to expect respect from the very people they shit on. They tend to slink back to their safe spaces, moaning about The Left, and how they’re the real victims.

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  • garbage_world@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Okay. Is there anything that can convince you otherwise?

    If not, please provide concrete, scientific thst you’re right.

    Here are your claims:

    • Right wing ideology is almost completely (I assumed “almost completely” means somewhere between 90 and 99 percent) based on the axiom that normal (most) people are lesser, degenerate and evil.
    • You can’t argue with almost all people from the right because they see any disagreement as an attack.
    • Lemmy genrally is pluralistic and respect arguments based on logic.

    If you can’t tell me what could change your opinion or a concrete, scientific proof based on observations following scientific method, that means you’re a beliver.

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    • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Right on cue, a sea lion trying to “both sides.” Look, my opinion is based on years and years of interaction with people holding right-wing views online, and observations of their political messaging. Here’s a non-exhaustive list of the people that I have seen them indicate that they consider degenerate, evil, and not deserving of human rights:

      • Trans people
      • Gay people
      • Women
      • Liberals
      • People of color
      • Muslims
      • Other non-Christians
      • Disabled people
      • Foreigners
      • Journalists
      • Democrats
      • Educated people
      • People who live in cities
      • Politicians
      • Librarians
      • Teachers
      • Judges
      • Poll workers

      Now, an a decent application of the scientific method is to formulate a hypothesis based on observation, and then seek evidence that would invalidate the hypothesis. I have yet to see evidence contrary to that hypothesis that right-wing ideology is axiomatically based on in-group and out-group dynamics. What would change my mind, then, is evidence. Evidence of empathy, demonstrations of actually asking questions of people and sincerely hearing different viewpoints. Evidence of being able to see the difference between the leftists, the trans communities, the Marxists, the femcels, the anarchists, the furries, the hornyposters, the solar punks, et cetera, not just as a monolithic Them. Heck, even something as basic as taking some personal responsibility for the rhetoric, and understanding that when you attack people, they’re going to be mad, and that doesn’t make you the victim.

      But, instead, the right-wing stars and influencers are out there calling empathy a weakness, and the greatest mistake of Western civilization. And I’ve tried to ask questions of people with right-wing views for years, seeking to understand their viewpoint. And every single time my questions get too pointed, or hit on an internal contradiction, they disengage either by going silent, or sometimes hurling abuse.

      Every. Single. Time. But I keep trying, so I’ll ask: What qualities does everybody on Lemmy exhibit that coheres us into a non-pluralistic, monolithic group?

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      • garbage_world@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for your answer.

        It might be just my perception, but lemmy is incredibly hostile for opposing views and don’t consider any arguments. I expected you to block me.

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• DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because of their choice of instance or because you really believe that?

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  • TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d be disappointed here too if I wasn’t a hard left communist who thinks every republican is literally hitler

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  • garbage_world@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because that’s my experience.

    I was exaggerating, but there’s some truth to that, or at least in my perception

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• PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Perfect shitpost comment! 10/10 no notes

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• bodaciousFern@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The like to dislike ratio on your comment ironically proves your case

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  • garbage_world@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, it doesn’t. This is just one possible explanation, though in my opinion, it is the correct one.

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