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TheSambassador@lemmy.world â¨6⊠â¨days⊠agoBut youâre basically saying âIâve never seen a good example of pro wrestling being art, so it must not exist.â
If itâs not your thing, thatâs fine, but going out of your way to say âthis entire genre is actually lesser than REAL artâ is pretty silly. Itâs judgemental and also pretty close minded. Itâs what I used to do as a teenager.
Vespair@lemmy.zip â¨6⊠â¨days⊠ago
What is the subtextual message of wrestling? What greater point of the human condition does it point to?
Saying fast food isnât haute cuisine isnât being close-minded, itâs being accurate. Same shit applies here.
You arenât being open minded, youâre lacking discernment.
And again, this isnât even a value assessment. Iâm not going to lie, I personally think wrestling is stupid, but Iâm not insulting it by calling it kitsch. We all love tons of things that are kitsch; kitsch is not a negative. Itâs just not art, holy fucking shit, people.
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com â¨6⊠â¨days⊠ago
Art is a word with so many different but overlapping definitions that itâs honestly not a very useful word, but the ones that rely on Importanceâ˘ď¸ or Beautyâ˘ď¸ are the dumbest ones. Mainly because who are you to decide whatâs Importantâ˘ď¸? More often than not it just boils down to âstuff rich white Europeans like.â
Vespair@lemmy.zip â¨5⊠â¨days⊠ago
Where did I once say importance or beauty? Thatâs not what defines art. I asked what the subtextual message is and what greater message about the human condition does it point to?
TheSambassador@lemmy.world â¨5⊠â¨days⊠ago
It just has the same energy as Roger Ebertâs weird essay about how video games canât possibly be art. Do you also not think games, movies, tv, plays, dances, etc are not art?
Hopefully you know that âpro wrestlingâ is an incredibly broad term, and if youâre only thinking about WWE, youâre only getting a piece of the picture. But even beyond that, even if every single CURRENT production of pro wrestling was actually this âkitcheâ term that you describe, can you maybe see the absurdity in thinking that itâs literally impossible for it to be art going forward? You canât imagine a compelling narrative that also includes two guys doing over-the-top gymnastics on top of each other?
I guess⌠Why is it important to broadly dismiss an entire genre of performance as ânot artâ? Wouldnât you rather describe your view as âso far what Iâve seen hasnât been art to me, and I donât really care to investigate furtherâ and leave it at that?
Vespair@lemmy.zip â¨5⊠â¨days⊠ago
I guess I just believe in peopleâs ability to use deductive reasoning and common sense and donât feel the need to couch my statements in every possible caveat.
Plenty of games, movies, tv, dances, are explicitly art. Plenty of them are also not.
I believe in the indomitable human spirit and the endless potential of human creativity. I believe anything can be made art through human determination and inspiration. Of course I believe wrestling can be art because nothing humanity touches is outside the realm of art. And of course I concede that without having witnessed the whole of wrestling, itâs possible art has been made in or through it. None of that changes my position that wrestling, as standard, is not art. I donât understand what you or anyone gains from intentionally missing the forest for the trees by insisting on pedantry and narrowing on hypotheticals, edge cases, and exceptions while ignoring the reality of the mundane standard.
Iâm so tired of having to say shit like âin my opinionâ and âI thinkâ as if people canât fucking infer the obvious; this is the same.