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Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days agoYes I have been to these third wave “coffee shops” where all they do is make hipsters pay extra. Let’s do something wrong and praise the sour coffee for its “wine-like-flavours”.
Your comment on italian baristas just shows how little you understand about espresso, go there, you’d be surprised that it isn’t 5 or 30 grams (those numbers also show you don’t make your own coffee, fr), but the hand of the barista that tweaks the espresso that makes the magic.
nyctre@piefed.social 4 days ago
First of all, in most places espresso costs 1.5-2€ euros regardless of “wave”. You can pay 2€ for an illy espresso from a “real italian” place or you can pay 2€ for an espresso from a place that roasts its own coffee or at least sources it from a decent place. Maybe where you are it’s different and I’m sorry that the coffee scene is that shitty, but over here we don’t pay extra for good coffee.
As for my experience …I’ve actually worked as a barista in France with Italian suppliers and have been to Italy plenty of times and talked to multiple baristas as it’s actually a passion of mine. So yeah, everything I’ve said is true. The 5-30 numbers were obviously just extremes to make a point. The fact that you couldn’t tell says more about you than anything else.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
So you worked in france making 3/4s (french espresso), and went to italy and didn’t notice a difference in coffee served?
I mean that just can’t be true.
nyctre@piefed.social 3 days ago
Like I said, i was working with Italian suppliers, because it was an Italian place. So I wasn’t making french espresso. And I never said there wasn’t any difference.
I said the difference is in taste and smell. Because that’s where the difference is. No matter where you are in the world, a good espresso will look and feel the same. Because the beans don’t change the texture, they change the smell and the taste.
What you’re probably referring to as this big difference between Italian espresso and other places comes from the fact that in many places in Italy, when you order a coffee, they give you a ristretto instead of an espresso.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Fair, but I have never had an espresso as good as in italy, damn even the highway truck stops make good coffee.
I don’t know, but with all the expensive machinery (it was all the rage in Sweden to have mysterious espresso machines a while ago), the cup isn’t better than the french which is made to accommodate old beans (invented in the 1890s IIRC when you couldn’t get fresh beans). The italian makes them all feel like fast-food coffee. For me.
But maybe it’s just that they dial the grounds finer and make that more ristretto like coffee I like.
Thanks for the idea, I’ll try it out!