Europe (alongside the USA) has been releasing disgusting amounts of climate change-inducing gases since the 18th century, and they (alongside the USA) were the main profiteers of climate pollution until the latter half of the 21st century. Arguably still are, though China etc. also play a part now.
Granted, this treats nations as monoliths, it’s not like the population of most countries really had a choice for the most part.
Anything is possible when you allocate the impact of commodities to the place where they were produced instead of the place where they were used 🤩
(This is the most common approach allocation, that doesn’t make it correct)
(Also this chart is gross not per capita so the fact that the US shows more emissions, even without the offshoring scam, until around 2000, is just w i l d)
Feel free to compare different countries yourself: ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics (I’m not sure why ourworldindata doesn’t just put all of this on one page instead of splitting it up. It’s always a hassle to find the right one) The more interesting comparison might be high-income vs low-income countries.
To get back to the discussion: Yes, Europes share is not as huge as it used to be, and it’s getting lower, but what can be seen from @Tehdastehdas@piefed.social graph is that that’s less due to Europe behaving better and rather due to other countries polluting more. Not a good argument for saying “Europe is doing better now”
Right now, yes, but for the vast majority of history it wasn’t even close. Your link shows that China only met the EU’s per capita emissions in 2013, when climate change was already pretty far along.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 month ago
Europe (alongside the USA) has been releasing disgusting amounts of climate change-inducing gases since the 18th century, and they (alongside the USA) were the main profiteers of climate pollution until the latter half of the 21st century. Arguably still are, though China etc. also play a part now.
Granted, this treats nations as monoliths, it’s not like the population of most countries really had a choice for the most part.
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 1 month ago
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Jakylla@jlai.lu 1 month ago
The fact that Aviation and Maritime transports are visible, alongside large countries and continents emissions, is absolutely nuts.
triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 1 month ago
Anything is possible when you allocate the impact of commodities to the place where they were produced instead of the place where they were used 🤩
(This is the most common approach allocation, that doesn’t make it correct)
(Also this chart is gross not per capita so the fact that the US shows more emissions, even without the offshoring scam, until around 2000, is just w i l d)
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 1 month ago
In context: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?time=earliest..2024
Per capita Europe is close to world average. Your comment makes no sense.
Chaf@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Nice of you to side-track with current emissions (per capita even), and not cumulative historical emissions, which were actually mentioned.
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Feel free to compare different countries yourself: ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-metrics (I’m not sure why ourworldindata doesn’t just put all of this on one page instead of splitting it up. It’s always a hassle to find the right one) The more interesting comparison might be high-income vs low-income countries.
To get back to the discussion: Yes, Europes share is not as huge as it used to be, and it’s getting lower, but what can be seen from @Tehdastehdas@piefed.social graph is that that’s less due to Europe behaving better and rather due to other countries polluting more. Not a good argument for saying “Europe is doing better now”
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 month ago
Right now, yes, but for the vast majority of history it wasn’t even close. Your link shows that China only met the EU’s per capita emissions in 2013, when climate change was already pretty far along.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 1 month ago
That’s fair, but you can’t deny Europe has done much better than its counterparts for more than 2 decades. Europe is not the guilty one there.