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Epp@lemmus.org 2 weeks agoYes, I know, and what you’re overlooking is that the uncertainty principle applies to LLM, as well, and even your example alternating algorithm.
That’s why a solid definition of intelligence is necessary, and my own is that the closer the number of potential responses approaches infinity, the more intelligent it is. On this scale modern AI is not as intelligent as humans, but it’s certainly more intelligent than your alternating greeting.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The uncertainty principle does NOT apply to LLMs and absolutely, unquestionably does NOT apply to my alternating algorithm. You need to understand the difference between “I don’t know” and “It’s unknowable”.
Epp@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
It most certainly does. Do you think that you know the position and state of all the electrons in a computer when a program is executing?
You need to learn the difference between, thinking and knowing.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think that the position and state of every single electron is mostly irrelevant. My alternating greeting can be made with a paper having one side written each greeting and flipping it every time, you also don’t need to know the state of every subatomic particle there, even though there is a possibility that every single electron in that piece of paper suddenly moves away and the vacuum in electrical charge causes a rush of electricity that vaporizes the whole room… Yeah it’s possible, but you’re a dumbass if you think that possibility is worth calculating.
The same is true for a computer, and again you’re mixing up “I can’t possibly know that” with “it’s unknowable”. Knowing the electrical charge at each position of the computer is knowable, knowing the electrical charge at each position of a brain is also knowable, but while knowing that information on a computer allows you to predict its outcome, the same is not true for a brain.
Epp@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
You sound quite sure of yourself, but I believe you are mistaken. The state of the electrons does indeed matter when a program is executing.
What makes you think that we will never be able to predict the outcome of a brain it we had the same knowledge of it as we did of a comparable neural network? You’d have to be a dumbass if you think that the medium matters in knowability of a system. Whether biological or mechanical, every state is possible until it’s measured, and once it is, you can determine exactly how it will function for a short period of time. Complexity does not make something unknowable, only complex, and therefore difficult to know.
Unlike the position and state of subatomic particles in any system, including that of the host of an LLM, which are unknowable.