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Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoDon’t get fooled by clever tricks from developers, LLMs are a mathematical function, where it gets the chain of numbers you give it and returns a new chain of numbers. LLMs are 100% predeterministic, programmers purposefully make them choose a random response within a degree of tolerance instead of picking the correct answer.
I saw you making this claim on another comment, this is COMPLETELY different from how humans/animals/plants think. LLMs are incapable of thought, incapable of learning, and incapable of understanding, that’s why they fail dumb tests like “how many Rs in strawberry”, they’re just average machines.
They’re not useless, they’re not intelligent, they’re a tool, you don’t think your calculator is intelligent because it can do math you can’t, and shouldn’t think an LLM is intelligent because it can aggregate texts that you can’t.
All that being said, you’re correct that LLMs do pass the Turing test, but that doesn’t mean what you think it does, it just means they’re very good at pretending to.
Epp@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
I would argue that humans are the same, we just don’t have access to our programming. If we did, and could measure the state of our brains, we would be entirely deterministic, as well.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a very Newtonian way to look at the world. Even IF that was correct (which is not because of the uncertainty principle), if you go down that road you will get to the conclusion that everything is intelligent even a simple program that chooses an alternate greeting between Hello and Hi can be considered intelligent by that standard.
Epp@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Yes, I know, and what you’re overlooking is that the uncertainty principle applies to LLM, as well, and even your example alternating algorithm.
That’s why a solid definition of intelligence is necessary, and my own is that the closer the number of potential responses approaches infinity, the more intelligent it is. On this scale modern AI is not as intelligent as humans, but it’s certainly more intelligent than your alternating greeting.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The uncertainty principle does NOT apply to LLMs and absolutely, unquestionably does NOT apply to my alternating algorithm. You need to understand the difference between “I don’t know” and “It’s unknowable”.