Where the fuck is “free the nipple” coming in? Yeah, guys are horny and do see nipples sexually. Why? That’s because our nipples generally look differently and thus it is easier to differentiate them from a woman’s nipple that for whatever reason (not important at the moment) has been labeled as sexual and taboo.
Nudist societies exist and are great examples of how when things like nipples become nothing more than just another part of the body, especially with societal undertones having changed because those cannot be ignored and have been hard-wired into our brains for many decades. But when people get over the undertones, it really does become just another part of the body.
Calling men pathetic for defending our pride and constitution is frankly pathetic in itself, and it’s comments that target a wide group of people and degrade them for something they largely cannot control and most of us don’t even understand the sexuality related to things like that, it’s like blaming a snake for not knowing how to walk after you gave it legs.
Yeah, a guy’s feminism probably won’t be as “fierce” for lack of a better word because we do not directly feel and often not even see the issues that women tend to be facing. But there are also multiple definitions that people have established for feminism, and they are very different. One is practically just justice. The idea that men and women should be effectively equal, as in a society that no longer requires extreme strength to push a plough, there is no reason at all why there should be a gender inequality. After all, as we continue to learn more about humanity’s early past, we learn that the hunters and gatherers each were about 50/50 men and women. Humanity is more than capable of equality.
But if in fighting for women’s power you actively demote and push men down to stand above them, you will find resistance. I stand to be equal. I stand to see a future where it doesn’t matter what gender the president is. I don’t stand for a future where women choke men down for an “equality” that is really just spiteful revenge for the past. Because the future is not the past. And people will not stand for that. But I also don’t stand for things to continue to be male-only just because they have been.
I will not continue to debate if you attempt to degrade my argument like a “full-blown gorilla in an enclosure having a fit of rage hate” because that is both not what I am doing and it is not productive.
zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
They didn’t even thought about that, as they don’t see her as a person, but as a thing. We don’t ask consent to things.
CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
There are billions of photos and videos of people on the internet with people who didn’t consent to have their pictures taken. People take pictures and/or videos of people who aren’t dressing in the societal norm all the time. Especially since she’s in one of the most public spaces out there.
I’m not trying to say that it’s right that someone took a picture of her without her consent and posted it to the internet, but she was already in public where anyone and everyone is allowed to look, and this happens with all sorts of people wearing all sorts of things. Her profession is her body, and that is something she has done to herself. If you are wearing clothing that is very well known and considered sexual in a place where sexual activity is unusual, it is unreasonable to not expect this kind of attention.
Why that kind of clothing is sexual is a completely different conversation that is only tangentially related to this conversation and to attempt to pry at that here and know would be to degrade the entire meaning of this debate.
velma@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
You actually don’t know that, but ok.
CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
I’m aware that certain economical or social environments can pressure people into taking jobs they don’t want to, but in that line of business it, regardless of whether she wanted to, was a choice she took. I understand many people do regret the choice and can find themselves trapped within the sexual business, but that is a risk they have taken and while it is unfortunate, they have decided that it was a better decision than other options they may have been presented with.
Not everyone in the sexual industries is doing it because it’s their only option. Regardless of their opinions, they deserve respect. For those whom it is/was the only option I do wish there were better outcomes, but again, they chose it for a reason. I’d guess that many boys in her position would probably attempt to steal enough to get by, but we all know how that ends. The sexual industry is brutal and it really shouldn’t be, but there’s nothing I can do about why she chose that job, all we know is she chose that over stealing shit.