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Comment on World Cup: Can I support England after far-right claimed the flag?

thomasshikari@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

Same here in the states! Except there are flags in front of essentially every business. You can barely go 3 blocks without seeing multiple american flags. It’s really quite silly. But, a person wearing clothes with an american flag is definitely a (pun intended) huge red flag. I’m sure there are exceptions but from my experience, those are usually the worst people.

Over there, is it more the English flag or the union jack? Or is it a mix of both?

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HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
and at every holiday they can bunch of small flags and paper plates and napkins and other trash. its so funny how disrepectful people who love the flag are.

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brewery@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Historically it was the English flag but since brexit it’s a mix of both. I have noticed the English nationalists have seemed to join with the Scottish, Welsh and NI nationalists, and outright talking about grouping up that didn’t seem to happen before

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- Grimtuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I had this conversation with a friend of mine who saw a Union Jack and mentioned that they probably vote for Reform but I put my foot down, they don’t get to claim our flag as their own. No way. Not happening. They’re welcome to display the flash but for me it’s a symbol of of multicultural Britain and not of the closest racists party.
  
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  - brewery@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    How do you/we go about reclaiming it though? I’ve thought about it a lot. It has it’s official place - outside buildings, government use, anything with the Royal family etc. It’s got it’s sporting place - union jack for Olympics and British teams, England flag for English team in other sports. Anywhere else you have to assume they’re racist or at a minimum very nationalist, especially after Raise the Flags. In one way, as a brown person it’s helpful to know which places to avoid!
    
    I don’t really don’t want to use the flag outside of international sports, im not going to put it outside my house or business, I don’t carry it around etc
    
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    Grimtuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It’s a good question, and I don’t fly the flag outside my house or on my car either. But I simply won’t allow the rhetoric that it’s somehow become the flag of Reform. I’ll simply tell people to F-off and remind them that the fish represents the entire country and not a single issue or party.
    
    I’m just angry the the flag my grandfather fought under us now the banner under which Nigel “F-face” Forage or Tommy “the racist” Robinson is trying to claim. I’ll just keep defending it.
    
    I’m going to try to will it into being. It probably won’t work but I feel like I don’t have a choice.
    
    I’m also jealous of the US, at least they have the flag of losers that the racists can fly instead of the national flag. We need a UK version of the Confederate flag so thatv we can separate it from our multinational identity.
    
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- thomasshikari@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Considering what’s going on in Belfast, I’m sure that won’t cause any problems anywhere else in the UK.
  
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