Comment on Does it seem like US presidents just throw a dart on a spinning globe and say he lets start fucking with this or that country? Used to be arbitrary, now it seems the GOV no longer lie just do.

• cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Vietnam and Korea were proxy wars against communist powers as the US was trying to prevent the spread of communism during the Cold War. The Gulf War/Desert Storm was a war against Iraq in response to Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. The pharmaceutical factory strike was a response to attacks on US embassies in the region, along with the likely bad intelligence that the factory was being used to manufacture chemical weapons for al-Qaeda. Afghanistan and Iraq were part of the Global War on Terror as a response to 9/11 and to depose anti-American and anti-Western regimes. Iran this time around is again allegedly to prevent them from gaining nuclear capabilities. The bombing of Cambodia was part of the Vietnam war.

  It should be noted that these were more or less the official reasons, along with a healthy dose of American imperialism, wanting to spread American ideology, gaining access to fossil fuels or other resources, or distracting from unpopular domestic issues.

  So there were always reasons for these conflicts, whether justified or not, whether public or ulterior.

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  • Patnou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Give me a couple hours have to go for a monthly check up. But good knowledge bomb. Will have a reply when I get back

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    • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Another layer is, too a look at the long term effects of these wars and see what these are, like emerging competitive economies being hamstrung or anti-capitalist political support being disrupted/killed off

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  • Patnou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Alright bear with me I am on my phone so maybe answering this in parts while I am waiting for my doc. If you don’t mind I’ll take your first sentence. That was a belief, let me say that again BELIEF, It is kind of like saying every friendly country to your country is my enemy. Now you want to use communism, which is fine. But that is an Idea War. So lets Blame the whole WW2 on one person Hitler. But communism is always blamed on Russia. Which if you boil it down is back to one man Marx and Engels well thats two. I is the equivalent of saying your a Muslim so I am suspect on the way you believe. Communism is a belief and no one yet has won an idea war. Second sentence. Gulf War/Desert storm. That was just fighting someones else’s war. But this time it’s over a substance. I whole wholeheartedly agree. Was it just in anyway shape or form…NO. This is like your the teacher on the playground and break up a fight between to boys. You will not end the conflict because the boys will go else where and continue it one day. As for the substance OIL is just the flavor of the century, those who are smart invest in other tech. but say la V. Ok 3rd sentence…oh just saying my doctor is taking long and this is pretty good on a phone. Again the stuff in Kenya and Tanzania which bad intel is no excuse for auto implementing an attack that killed people who just disagree with the US. Would it have been that bad if we got our bases out of the Middle East? Now this is just leads us into the brink of paranoia like communism. But to believe that at the time we could not have hired at least one single person to walk up to said factory and investigate? There is a movie with Chris Lee that shows Iraq was buying aluminum rods or whatever to build a long range weapons program. Which is a belief with no back up. Except that woman who testified it was false of chemical weapons. Look up people like Valerie Pame and others. Plus Saddam last words while he was in his cell. Told a US Serviceman that it was bullshit. And they did it to keep Iran at bay. And said we The US should watch out for Iran. Damn still going on my phone. Because they were the real threat in the Middle East. Not going to acknowledge the Global War on Terrorism because I did not stand in front of a banner that said MISSION COMPLETE. Ever been to Cambodia? That place is fucked beyond belief, kind of seeing a pattern here?, by Kissinger. Just on the belief the Viet Cong were operating there. Also don’t forget Laos. All in part of a theory/threat of some sorts that if he showed he was a “Madman” they wouldn’t do shit and back off. This was Nixon BTW.

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    • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So would you agree with me that while the reasons were bad, they existed and that these were not places chosen to attack at random?

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      • Patnou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        As long as you agree all the wars we both listed are arbitrary

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• ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  None of those were random

  Care to defend how they were arbitrary?

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  • Patnou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Sorry meant were not arbitrary.

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