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ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Some of Reckless Ben’s actions in Utah were very… wreckless, and have complicated the legal case for the Mansell family. He’s done some good stuff here no doubt. But he should have toned down the confrontations with the B&M executives and their families, for example.
jdr@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
TipRing@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Ben’s heart is in the right place. But he is an idiot.
I know he doesn’t bill himself as a journalist, but I was taught to not make someone else’s story about yourself. Once he inserted himself into the mix and started doing antics he crossed a line, imo, and his legal troubles got magnified and he arguably made the legal issues for the Mansell’s worse.
The video where AFPD is fucking with him and he gets arrested and then talks to the detective instead of lawyering up immediately had me shouting at the screen. Don’t talk to the cops, people. Never talk to the cops, jfc.
I know lawyers are unpopular and expensive, but this is actually a case that needed them.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
He is simply serving his own interests
He makes money from YouTube after all
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
And that discredits the argument for aiding someone taken advantage of by a corporation, the argument that there exists rampant police ineptitude and/or corruption how?
The existence of a GoFundMe to at least attempt to make a family whole does a lot more than the company doing nothing for years and threatening lawfare until they finally get some negative publicity.
Is Ben making money off of this? Yes. Can his actions still be morally correct? Yes.
We live under capitalism. We’ve tied our very survival to making money. How does that discredit what he’s attempting as you’re implying?
Joshua Johnson? Brandon Best? That you?
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Something that stood out to me from Legal Eagle pt1 was that everyone involved - everyone - should’ve talked to a lawyer sooner than they did (if they even did). This is especially true for Reckless Ben, and what he did in Utah (covered by Legal Eagle pt2). He really, really needs to find a lawyer, and listen to their advice. I get that he’s trying to create content, but this isn’t the way.
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
100%
From what I could gather, it sounds like The Civil Rights Lawyer (videos above) is helping Ben, Tyler, and those involved connect with lawyers finally.
I personally think Ben is young, and it’s not like they teach this in schools and the police use this to their advantage. Quite the opposite actually, they send cops to our schools to teach kids that cops are nice, they’re on the side of justice, etc. And Ben believed that, which is why he talks to them so much. He believes the police are good people and are there to help him and I don’t think I can fault him all that much for that. A suburban white kid growing up wouldn’t likely have had any experiences that would break that propaganda.
Hopefully, after this, he’ll be more wary in the future, and immediately reach out to a lawyer (though would it get the same attention and results if he did? That’s a discussion in and of itself.) The police, and most of our laws, have always been to protect property over people. I mean, law enforcement derived itself from slave catchers 🙃
BeUnique@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Agreed but on the other hand, his recklessness has brought a lot of awareness to the whole thing including a go fund me that is about to hit $500k. As long as Ben holds up his end of the bargain and pays the family, his antics will 100% be worth it for the family.
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
While potentially true, that doesn’t excuse any of the actions taken by the franchise owners, corporate, and especially the american fork police.
Ben might’ve done some antagonistic things, but it’s overall good to bring light to all of this. So, so, SO many other people and families are taken advantage by corporate America like this.
Biggest things are Ben and his friends are young and I think they trusted the police way too much. And the whole claiming to flee to Mexico…ugghhh lol.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Oh definitely. What B&M and some of the cops and lawyers have done is really bad.
orclev@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It is entirely possible and often is the case that all parties involved can be in the wrong, legally if not also morally. Ben really fucked up in a few places and ended up helping BAM out because of that. Has he been a little more cautious where things are currently would be a lot more straightforward with all the legal fallout aimed squarely at BAM. Instead there’s a not unlikely chance Ben could end up in serious financial and possibly even legal trouble. It’s not inconceivable that he could wind up facing some jail time and an even higher chance he could wind up with the kind of judgement against him that he’s not going to be able to crowd fund his way out of.
The only somewhat bright side is that it’s looking highly likely that Mansell will wind up getting his $100K and/or Legos back, even if literally everyone else winds up financially ruined.
Unfortunately the ones I see getting away with their crimes in this situation are as usual the dirty cops.
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Well, let’s do as much as we can to pressure legislators and the courts to hold parties accountable. The only reason anything is happening is because of the transparency and public response.