Comment on Fallout 3: GOTY Edition is free to keep for the next 24 hours on the Epic Games Store

• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You have to create an account to get them.

  If you don’t think data harvesting to sell the data isn’t part of that equation, you’re just a little bit naive.

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  • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Of course it’s part of the equation.

    It’s part of the equation on Steam and GOG, too.

    So unless you bought a physical copy of this game and kept it off the internet (not sure if anyone is collecting any data through FO3 itself), or got it gifted to you through GOG and you don’t have an account there, you’re in the same boat. Except you paid for the game with money in addition to data.

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, but the argument was “does taking a free game help them or not” not shifting goalposts to whether Valve does it, too.

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• ono@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t think getting freebies from them counts as supporting them

  I do. Some examples off the top of my head:

  • giving them access to your stored data, both through account creation and by letting their code execute on your computer
  • giving them access to your system fingerprints, through the same
  • giving them access to your behavioral data, through the same
  • giving them legal influence over you, by agreeing to their terms
  • giving their legal arguments greater weight by increasing their market share
  • giving them greater sway with publishers by bolstering their user count

  There are probably other ways in which it supports them. Those are just the first ones to come to mind.

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  • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ok, but they give free games so it’s cool. They’ll surely make a lot of money off of my “never pays us” behavioural data

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• Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I was going to say. This is probably the opposite. Unfortunately once epic goes down. Because of their awful launcher you won’t actually be able to use it

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  • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But it’s not a sale. It’s a game, and it’s provided for free, and as of right now there is no end date where your access to the game will expire. No money leaves your wallet.

    I still don’t understand.

    Is this some sort of coping mechanism by people who paid for the game 10 years ago?

    … because unless you bought it from GOG over Steam (which is my preferred place to buy digital games, not Epic), you’re in the same boat: Haven’t bought a game, you’ve bought a license. Except with Epic, it’s $0.00 today.

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    • bridge_too_close@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ultimately, if you want a free game and have no issues with Epic, then hurray, you get a free game. Some of us don't like Epic and prefer to give them nothing (including our data), even if it means passing up on free games. I have no shortage of games to play, so I won't be missing a free copy of FO3 or whatever else they decide to offer up.

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    • Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mate I got it. I have all the free games from epic.

      My point was that it’s not a “game” in the traditional sense. Anything online that requires a launcher is a licence.

      Similar to me “purchasing” a film on prime. I don’t actually purchase the film, I purchase a license to access the file solely through their system.

      They can revoke or lose that license and I lose access. Different to me buying a DVD and I can use it whenever I want as long as I have a DVD player.

      I agree. I was just following on the point from above. It is shit that we can’t buy from company. I bought the game 10 years ago. Bit of double dipping. I’ve rebought a bunch of older games.

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      • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s definitely a game in the modern sense. If you want games in the traditional sense, your choices are pretty much GOG and physical copies. And even those aren’t a guarantee, with things like…

        • “Physical copies” that are really just download codes or a DRM key on a disc
        • Day one patches
        • Patches that make the game drastically different than it was on launch, particularly when the game was drastically different (aka. shittier) on its unpatched launch
        • Games that require proprietary servers to run the game properly, and won’t be kept alive after a certain date because they won’t release the required code for fans to run their own servers

        For a lot of gamers, “licenses to games” or any of the above cases make up the majority of the games they play. Yet we still call them gamers, we still call them games, and we still call it gaming.

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    • Squid@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Found an interesting post from steam steam support stating contingency plan for users ive also seen another post that was in a discussion outlining the same contingency plan

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      • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That doesn’t seem to be a contingency plan; just a claim that there will be one.

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