Comment on Why is Hasan Piker ‘not conducive to the public good’? Because on Gaza, we punish the witness, not the crime

MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  From Destiny Wiki

  You’re quoting someone who went to Israel to tell IDF Nazis to stop posting footage of themselves online while they’re sexually harassing Palestinians because it makes Israel look bad. Not to stop doing it, but to stop posting footage of it.

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  • MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You got a source for that? Because I’m pretty sure he was making fun of them being stupid enough to film it. Nice deflection tho. Always attack the source, not the claim lul

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    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H55AKyANBw

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      • MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, a very serious talk on how to hide war crimes, not a joke about idiots filming their crimes.

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• Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• zedcell@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Destiny is a sex pest pedophile and you’re using his fan wiki to shit smear his ideological opponent. Very unbiased of you.

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• thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can’t blame him for that. Being naturally skeptical of US imperialism - with the history of the CIA, not to mention Iran currently - is healthy. Additionally US officials and the CIA screaming wolf so many times even made the EU turn a blind eye to Russian despotism - a state fueled by oligarchy, Russian chauvenism and antidemocratic governance. Republicans largely ignored it because they are crypto fascism enjoyers.

  Going to bat for the autocratic regime of China however is kind of weak, NGL - especially if you talk to actual Chinese people about it anywhere else than online, or the influencer sphere. But that being said: the way US politicians spread sinophobia while at the same time exploiting Chinese wage slavery and outright slavery is very telling. They only apply certain values when it’s advantageous to their propaganda and not when it’s advantageous to do even more exploitation. Again: screaming wolf, trying to have their cake and eat it to, as the world’s current hegemony.

  But let us never forget that western liberals and conservatives “outsourced” (what a name for it) to the global south and the east so that western corporations could exploit said slave labour, and they did so to spite and deflate Union movements, in order to avoid democracy - because unions are a form of democratic representation. Now they’re crying crocodile tears for the hole they dug us into, a whole we call the RACE TO THE BOTTOM.

  But also: why are you bringing the destiny v piker beef into the comment section? Being a stan for an influencer is IMHO intellectual suicide. It negates the process of free thought, of actual, factual, axiom based skepticism.

  And to tell it clearly: free speech without free thought is like giving an assault rifle to a monkey. Don’t be a rifle wielding monkey, thank you very much.

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  • zedcell@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve spoken with Chinese people in person who would think you’re an absolute moron spouting off about an autocratic regime.

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  • MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t care about the beef, I care about him spreading Russian propaganda. I’m not Ukrainian, but I am European.

    I see every country here fully justified to deny him entry. You can’t be doing propaganda for someone invading a European country and expect to come over and spread it here in person aswell.

    I just link the article because it’s the best sourced writeup of Pikes views on Ukraine I found on quick notice.

    To your point about free speech: It doesn’t include coordinated disinformation campaigns. If you don’t fight against those, democracy fails. Just look at America or even the rise of the AfD in Germany.

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    • thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think you get it.

      All political influencers place their bets on where they think the future may lay. He had reservations of whether or not the CIA was full of shit.

      As to the idea of him supporting Putin or being pro Z, that’s bullshit - and you know it. Going through the mental gymnastics of saying that he is, albeit indirectly, when he is obviously pro peace and anti war is disingenuous to say the least

      He has stated that he is anti imperialist. Just because Chinese programming has convinced him and that US propaganda has made him jaded doesn’t negate his stance on the issue.

      So before we move on, let’s ignore the fan wiki and move to the actual meat of the matter: link to me the direct, unfalsifiable and clear proof that he is anti Ukrainian and pro Z.

      If it’s all him being skeptical of US propaganda - wether or not it is correct - then you have no grounds to justify saying that he is actually anti Ukrainian or pro Z.

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