This week, the British government banned Hasan Piker and Cenk Uygur, two leftwing US commentators with millions of followers, from entering the country on the grounds that their presence would not be “conducive to the public good”. It did not spell out what it meant by this very broad phrase, but Piker and Uygur have accused the government of denying them entry because of their prolific criticism of Israel. Some critics have accused the pair of antisemitism, which they deny.
Neither Piker nor Uygur have said anything that is more divisive or dangerous than former Israeli president Isaac Herzog’s declaration that all Palestinians were responsible for the Hamas attack on 7 October 2023. A UN commission of inquiry found that Herzog incited the commission of genocide with this statement and said that his later modifications of that utterance were an effort “to deflect responsibility for the initial statement”. Still, the British seem fine with that first statement: Herzog met with Keir Starmer in London in 2025. Clearly that meeting was deemed to be conducive to the public good.
Wherever you live, whatever you believe, wherever you sit on the political spectrum, most of us have a shared understanding of basic moral concepts, of what is good and what is bad. We understand that children are innocent and should not be killed in the thousands. We understand that a region’s healthcare system should not be systematically wiped out and medics targeted. We understand that there should be laws around warfare to protect civilians. We understand that people should not be expelled en masse from their land, their homes replaced with luxury settlements. We understand that collective punishment is a crime, one that is very much not “conducive to the public good”.
When you stop someone from entering your country because you deem that they are not “conducive to the public good”, then I think it’s important to spell out exactly what you mean by “good”. The British government has declined to do that directly. But what has become very clear, over the last couple of years, is that the UK and US have deemed it conducive for the public good for Israel to be allowed to do whatever it likes, with no limits. What is morally bad, apparently, is talking about it.
MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
That disgusting fuck should go live in China or Russia. Reason
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
You’re quoting someone who went to Israel to tell IDF Nazis to stop posting footage of themselves online while they’re sexually harassing Palestinians because it makes Israel look bad. Not to stop doing it, but to stop posting footage of it.
MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
You got a source for that? Because I’m pretty sure he was making fun of them being stupid enough to film it. Nice deflection tho. Always attack the source, not the claim lul
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
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zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
Destiny is a sex pest pedophile and you’re using his fan wiki to shit smear his ideological opponent. Very unbiased of you.
thorhop@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Can’t blame him for that. Being naturally skeptical of US imperialism - with the history of the CIA, not to mention Iran currently - is healthy. Additionally US officials and the CIA screaming wolf so many times even made the EU turn a blind eye to Russian despotism - a state fueled by oligarchy, Russian chauvenism and antidemocratic governance. Republicans largely ignored it because they are crypto fascism enjoyers.
Going to bat for the autocratic regime of China however is kind of weak, NGL - especially if you talk to actual Chinese people about it anywhere else than online, or the influencer sphere. But that being said: the way US politicians spread sinophobia while at the same time exploiting Chinese wage slavery and outright slavery is very telling. They only apply certain values when it’s advantageous to their propaganda and not when it’s advantageous to do even more exploitation. Again: screaming wolf, trying to have their cake and eat it to, as the world’s current hegemony.
But let us never forget that western liberals and conservatives “outsourced” (what a name for it) to the global south and the east so that western corporations could exploit said slave labour, and they did so to spite and deflate Union movements, in order to avoid democracy - because unions are a form of democratic representation. Now they’re crying crocodile tears for the hole they dug us into, a whole we call the RACE TO THE BOTTOM.
But also: why are you bringing the destiny v piker beef into the comment section? Being a stan for an influencer is IMHO intellectual suicide. It negates the process of free thought, of actual, factual, axiom based skepticism.
And to tell it clearly: free speech without free thought is like giving an assault rifle to a monkey. Don’t be a rifle wielding monkey, thank you very much.
zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
I’ve spoken with Chinese people in person who would think you’re an absolute moron spouting off about an autocratic regime.
MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I don’t care about the beef, I care about him spreading Russian propaganda. I’m not Ukrainian, but I am European.
I see every country here fully justified to deny him entry. You can’t be doing propaganda for someone invading a European country and expect to come over and spread it here in person aswell.
I just link the article because it’s the best sourced writeup of Pikes views on Ukraine I found on quick notice.
To your point about free speech: It doesn’t include coordinated disinformation campaigns. If you don’t fight against those, democracy fails. Just look at America or even the rise of the AfD in Germany.