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JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• ElectricMeow@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah but that would require them to pay attention to the story and reflect on it so they understand the consequences. For a lot of people, they never make those connections, and anything on the screen being depicted is also being encouraged and glorified in their minds.

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  • flicker@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah. The Starship Troopers problem.

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    • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ironically also the same problem as the book.

      People think Heinlein was 110% onboard with the society he was writing about, yet he wrote many other novels where the protagonists fought back against authoritarianism and/or were communist economically. Beyond this Horizon, for example. Or “If this goes on-”

      Assuming one of a writer’s works displays their exact like of thinking is reductionist and infantile unless they came out at some point and specifically stated that it’s how they believed.

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      • flicker@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think that is exactly why that problem persists. Among a certain subset of the population, there is no need to look further. Why assume that there's a deeper message there?

        Which is why it's always so frustrating when you see someone arguing that you should only be able to vote if you serve. (Yes, this really happened to me.)

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Funny, I thought Fight Club was about the good guys winning the war against credit card companies with the power of domestic terrorism.

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    • topinambour_rex@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or it was good guy trying to fight modern art and ending meeting God, and realizing his mistakes.

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• GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Could’ve sworn it was a 139 minute Lynchian carousel about the dangers of insomnia and consumerism.

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• almar_quigley@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The book maybe but the movie definitely glorifies the violence without direct context for why it’s wrong. At least to a degree that can be easily understood by the target audience of teenage boys.

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  • hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So, the director hid a swastika in one of the shadows to indicate that he thought the society was evil, among a ton of other things. He talked about it in the director’s commentary. But yeah, it’s actually super easy to miss unless you know it’s actually a warning… Which is kind of the problem with a lot of media, like the entire genera of cyberpunk.

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    • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He also didn’t even bother to finish the book he was making a movie about, so it’s clear how he thought the story went.

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      • CephaloPOTUS@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean he had read the recently released novel and started asking around for someone to pay for him to make it into a movie. So maybe you are making a “clever” quip about how he must not have read the ending to get it that wrong but that’s not how your message sounded with that wording.

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  • PopcornPrincess@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I loved the movie which made me read the book and then I understood the message. The book is fantastic.

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