Comment

Comment on How come Mark Wahlberg got a pass for being the crap out of a Vietnamese guy. But Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby, Weinstein, do not get a pass? Beside the sexual aspect what is the difference?

<- View Parent

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Polanski had plenty of issues, including that he could never come to America, which is a liability when you are trying to make movies within the Hollywood system. He found people to work with, but we don’t hear about all those that refused to work with him, and I’m sure there were plenty. He managed to have a decent career, but to say he had no issues at all simply isn’t accurate.

Michael Jackson’s allegations are tough. I’ve been a big fan all my life, I seen all the allegations and evidence, and I’m still on the fence.

Woody Allen is definitely a weird guy, but I looked into those allegations, too, and there are a lot of problems with them. Family dynamics can be complicated, dramatic, and toxic, and that could explain this. Woody being such a bizarre character makes it easy for others to believe bad stuff. Or maybe it’s true. Without a court case, evidence, witnesses, etc., it’s impossible to know.

Chris Brown’s guilt as a serious abuser is proven. Perhaps his continued popularity is due to his reputation. Even Domestic Abusers need tunes, and he’s their man.

source

Sort:hotnew top

BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Did you see the MJ documentary where the kid (now adult) and his family came forward to tell what happened?
Even if you thought the info about MJ masterbating to the kid bent over is fake for some reason, the provable logistics are consistent with a grooming pedophile.

Flatter the kid, promise him fame, same with family. Pay for their trips to be with you on tour. Book kid into same room as MJ, but book parents on a different floor or other end of building. Etc

source
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah, I know, but I also know that at least some of the allegations really looked suspicious, too. I wrestle with it to this day. It’s hard to see your heros fall. I was a huge fan, my entire life.
  
  source
  - BCsven@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I mean it’s like Bill Cosby who played the Wholesome dad, and did Jello Pudding Pop commercials, then revealed he’s a young girl drug and rape guy. It sucks but people can be monsters beyond the facade. Fame gives a privilidge that seems a lot of people take advantage of.
    
    source
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

He managed to have a decent career

Dude, he won an Oscar in 2003. Best Director. Calling this “decent” career is extremely disingenuous. He worked with Jodie Foster, Kate Winslet, Christoph Waltz, Ewan McGregor and Johnny Depp. All at the top of their careers and very much able to decide who they want to work with and they worked with him. He still well respected in Poland and France and many different governments protected him from prosecution. When US tried to detain him Polish government ignored the laws to shield him.

With Woody Allen I’m taking about him marrying his step daughter, not the unconfirmed allegations.

source
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah, he won an Oscar, and it was incredibly controversial, and it was one of the things that started the conversation that eventually led to the Me Too movement. For the first time, Hollywood women let their outrage be seen and heard, and that kind of mysogyny in Hollywood began to meet resistance.
  
  Again, I would not say that Polanski has had “no issues” in his career. I don’t see Speilberg or Scorcese having to defend 50+ year old scandals literally every time their names are mentioned.
  
  source
  - ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Me Too movement started after Harvey Weinstein scandal, over a decade after Polanski got his Oscar. I don’t remember any controversies around The Pianist. The wiki doesn’t mention anything. It got great reviews and got a lot of awards: en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_accolades_received_by_…
    
    You’re either making stuff up now or just misremembering it. Polanski is an admitted rapist. Of course he didn’t have same career as Spielberg or Scorsese but he wasn’t a pariah either. He worked all his life and was well respected in the industry. I don’t know, maybe you just want to believe that Polanski faced some consequences. He didn’t. He wasn’t punished. There was no justice there. He raped a child and lived a happy life after that.
    
    source
    BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    An Oscar Out Of Reach For Polanski
    
    Polanski’s nomination had triggered a spirited debate over whether it was appropriate to separate a person’s misdeeds from his art and award Hollywood’s highest filmmaking honor to someone facing a still-unresolved criminal case.
    
    In 2017, he was forced to quit the jury for the French equivalent of the Oscars, and in 2018 he was expelled from the American Academy as well.
    
    So there WAS much controversy about his Oscar, it did put Hollywood under a microscope leading to MeToo, and eventually led to expulsions, so he certainly did see major repercussions from his unresolved criminal behavior.
    
    And it simply cannot be argued that it has indelibly stained his legacy.
    
    I’m not making stuff up, or misremembering it, you are. And let this be a lesson in why your teachers don’t like to accept Wikipedia as a solid source.
    
    source
    -> View More Comments
- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  She wasn’t his step-daughter. He wasn’t married to Mia Farrow, and she wasn’t a biological daughter to Mia, either. Still gross, but technically, y’know?
  
  source
  - ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I’m just saying that many directors would kill to have a career like him and he admitted to rape. Could he achieve more if he didn’t rape a child and was allowed entry into US? Maybe but it’s really hard to argue he was punished by the industry.
    
    Both him and Woddy simply show that some people can get away with things others can’t. Depends on the factors I mentioned.
    
    source
    BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    There is no doubt that his fame and talent bought him a LOT of sanctuary, but it definitely indelibly stained his legacy. We’ll never know how much more he could have achieved, but looking back, he would have been better off serving the couple of years in jail, and moved on with his life. He’d still have that old stain, but it would be mostly forgiven as a youthful slip, blame it on drugs, and the times, and it would be overlooked for the most part. But he would have been welcomed back to Hollywood, and would have have had full access to the Hollywood system.
    
    source