ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 days ago
Polanski admitted raping a child and still worked without any issues for decades. Top actors didn’t see any issues in working with him and he even won an Oscar. Why? I have no idea.
People totally ignored all the creepy thing Micheal Jackson did because his songs were so good.
Woody Allen didn’t had to do some explaining but wasn’t canceled.
Chris Brown is still getting to the top of Billboards 200.
It’s not a simple “guilty/not-guilty” issue. It’s a mix of how much money you have, how much money you can still make (how loyal is your fan base and what do they care about) and how good PR team do you have.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 days ago
Polanski had plenty of issues, including that he could never come to America, which is a liability when you are trying to make movies within the Hollywood system. He found people to work with, but we don’t hear about all those that refused to work with him, and I’m sure there were plenty. He managed to have a decent career, but to say he had no issues at all simply isn’t accurate.
Michael Jackson’s allegations are tough. I’ve been a big fan all my life, I seen all the allegations and evidence, and I’m still on the fence.
Woody Allen is definitely a weird guy, but I looked into those allegations, too, and there are a lot of problems with them. Family dynamics can be complicated, dramatic, and toxic, and that could explain this. Woody being such a bizarre character makes it easy for others to believe bad stuff. Or maybe it’s true. Without a court case, evidence, witnesses, etc., it’s impossible to know.
Chris Brown’s guilt as a serious abuser is proven. Perhaps his continued popularity is due to his reputation. Even Domestic Abusers need tunes, and he’s their man.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Did you see the MJ documentary where the kid (now adult) and his family came forward to tell what happened?
Even if you thought the info about MJ masterbating to the kid bent over is fake for some reason, the provable logistics are consistent with a grooming pedophile.
Flatter the kid, promise him fame, same with family. Pay for their trips to be with you on tour. Book kid into same room as MJ, but book parents on a different floor or other end of building. Etc
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Yeah, I know, but I also know that at least some of the allegations really looked suspicious, too. I wrestle with it to this day. It’s hard to see your heros fall. I was a huge fan, my entire life.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I mean it’s like Bill Cosby who played the Wholesome dad, and did Jello Pudding Pop commercials, then revealed he’s a young girl drug and rape guy. It sucks but people can be monsters beyond the facade. Fame gives a privilidge that seems a lot of people take advantage of.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 days ago
Dude, he won an Oscar in 2003. Best Director. Calling this “decent” career is extremely disingenuous. He worked with Jodie Foster, Kate Winslet, Christoph Waltz, Ewan McGregor and Johnny Depp. All at the top of their careers and very much able to decide who they want to work with and they worked with him. He still well respected in Poland and France and many different governments protected him from prosecution. When US tried to detain him Polish government ignored the laws to shield him.
With Woody Allen I’m taking about him marrying his step daughter, not the unconfirmed allegations.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Yeah, he won an Oscar, and it was incredibly controversial, and it was one of the things that started the conversation that eventually led to the Me Too movement. For the first time, Hollywood women let their outrage be seen and heard, and that kind of mysogyny in Hollywood began to meet resistance.
Again, I would not say that Polanski has had “no issues” in his career. I don’t see Speilberg or Scorcese having to defend 50+ year old scandals literally every time their names are mentioned.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 day ago
Me Too movement started after Harvey Weinstein scandal, over a decade after Polanski got his Oscar. I don’t remember any controversies around The Pianist. The wiki doesn’t mention anything. It got great reviews and got a lot of awards: en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_accolades_received_by_…
You’re either making stuff up now or just misremembering it. Polanski is an admitted rapist. Of course he didn’t have same career as Spielberg or Scorsese but he wasn’t a pariah either. He worked all his life and was well respected in the industry. I don’t know, maybe you just want to believe that Polanski faced some consequences. He didn’t. He wasn’t punished. There was no justice there. He raped a child and lived a happy life after that.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 days ago
She wasn’t his step-daughter. He wasn’t married to Mia Farrow, and she wasn’t a biological daughter to Mia, either. Still gross, but technically, y’know?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 days ago
I’m just saying that many directors would kill to have a career like him and he admitted to rape. Could he achieve more if he didn’t rape a child and was allowed entry into US? Maybe but it’s really hard to argue he was punished by the industry.
Both him and Woddy simply show that some people can get away with things others can’t. Depends on the factors I mentioned.