It’s like anything that makes us feel good. Smoking genuinely makes users feel good.
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Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Who “loves” a drug-addiction? I only ever heard extremely dumb people say “but I love smoking” followed by some incredibly cognitively dissonant "because"s.
You reek miles against the wind like a dirty old ashtray, age rapidly and die of it. What’s there to love?
I did smoke BTW, so I don’t talk about stuff I have no clue about.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
That’s the problem. It does not. It shortly relieves a smoker of withdrawal-symptoms. Drinking a bottle of Vodka makes you feel “good”. Smoking some crack or blow does make you feel “good”. Nicotine does basically nothing of value, you just feel great because you’re non-addicted. For a few minutes and then the withdrawal-symptons slowly mount again.
If a smoker now attributes this to be a BENEFIT of a cigaratte, not the ABSENCE of the opposite, that’s where the problem starts.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You are trying to explain people’s feelings with logic. Drug addicts don’t care why they feel good. They don’t care that it’s temporary. In that moment they feel good and that’s what matters to them. Many people will do whatever it takes to chase that high as long as possible.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
If only nicotine HAD a high to chase. It’s the normal that’s craved here, that’s the sad part.
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
Well, you started smoking at some point for some reason. Either social pressure or you liked it.
Not calling you stupid, or saying that you are entirely wrong, but maybe consider that another smoker is at a different spot than you, right now. We humans like to repeat the mistakes of others.
I want to congratulate you for stopping!
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
I was a dumb-as-a-doornail teen in the 90s. That was the reason. Being the coolest motherfucker. And I doubt there ever was a person smoking the first one and be like “wow this is great!” I never liked it, I wanted to smoke too and did, and then there was no way out of it. Not once in my life I heard a smoker say “my first one was awereesomeeeee! I love this!”.
That’s the point where people choose to persuade themselves it’s not a drug addiction but a “life-choice” or “taste”. I mean, come on. All other drugs at least offer you something. Nicotine? The best it does it calm you down FROM the withdrawal symptoms.
It’s not really being “at a different spot”. There won’t be another step if you already convinced yourself you’d love it. That’s, IMHO, and surely only my anecdotal knowledge, what the less smart people do when, deep down, they know they’ve already lost.
Shouldn’t have sounded like from a high-horsed ex-smoker. But would you call that coping overly smart?
And thanks. Took me 15 years of “tomorrow I’ll start!” and two nightmare-weeks. Smoked 2-3 packs a day, which was like 30-45€ a day. God that hurts to say.
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Your perspective is at least as good as mine, I never smoked.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Wise. And you absolutely missed nothing at all :)
TheMuffinMan@piefed.world 4 days ago
Not once in my life I heard a smoker say “my first one was awereesomeeeee! I love this!”.
Real lmao.
Ex-smoker, picked it up at uni, and the first handful of times I’d tried it, it was vile. The first time it felt OK or possibly good was probably when withdrawal started to kick in. Really should have stopped before that, but I was stubborn and had to learn from experience.
I do still use it in spliffs, but begrudgingly (can’t find anything else that isn’t too harsh to smoke, nor do I like pure joints).
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Spoken with many smokers over the years, and it’s really always the same. The first X cigs were disgusting, puke-inducing and whatnot. then it grows okay-ish and then…you wasted the good point of stopping here and now once and forever and…enjoyed the first calming of a withdrawal :-(
How about VAPING weed? beside that it’s way less unhealthy it’s also more comfy? ever tried? If i had to put tobacco in a joint, i would pass up on a joint. and i would never pass up on a joint :)
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Exactly this, I have smoked for years and absolutely HATED that I smoke. It’s a blessing to be non-smoker.
The pro-smoking arguments are usually really dumb like “it’s for socializing” or “helps me release stress” or “allowing me to have a break” - all rubbish and can be debunked in seconds
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Maybe my “dumb” was a lil harsh, but the decision to actively lie yourself into the belief “i love this!” is dumb. No better word for this kind of defeat. I couldn’t even lie to myself that hard, even if i truly wanted.
Yup, I hated it too. Hated every negative thing that came with it, most of all being a slave to tobacco-corporations. Just imagine, there’s only one company left, and you’re outta cigs. What is it that they could demand of you to do, that you would. just for the next smoke? That fucked me the hardest.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Nah, when I was smoking I was truly enjoying the process. It was bad, obviously, but I fucking loved it. It was also a period where smoking was cool, so not only it was pleasant, but I looked cool doing it. And because it worsens your sense of smell, even downsides weren’t perceived badly.
I’m so glad it’s finally over, but I’m glad about it now, not then.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
I started in probably the same time. For the same reasons. Being the same stupid teen. Of course I loved it. Being cool that is, not the process itself. It tasted like ass, I ruined a lot of carpets and keyboards and…being cool was literally the only thing.
But that was kinda my point. (Young) people do dumb things. But then you grow up or get wiser. And I’ve heard people smoking for 60yrs saying how they “love it”. And upon being questioned what it is they actually love about, it kinda comes down to how smoking calms the effects of nicotine withdrawal. And how could an adult, in today’s times, NOT know what smoking is, does, or how it affects us, or what coping is etc.
I’d bet my left nut, that those, who “love” it, deep down know they’re fucked, but convinced themselves otherwise to feel better and move on with life, not feeling like a slave to Marlboro.
Arguably that would even be the better path if you absolutely know you couldn’t stop. No reason to also hate yourself for it.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I think you’re overestimating the ability of adults to assert the consequences of their actions. I smoked into adulthood, and I honestly thought that “pros” of smoking outweigh the cons, and “I fucking enjoy the process” was one of the pros.
I couldn’t be more wrong, of course, but unfortunately, I didn’t stop because my intellect told me so, I was given the initial push by the circumstances making the habit less convenient.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
But even if you failed to assert the consequences of your actions, you’d surely run across someone close that told ya “why do you smoke? STOP! I like you being around longer!” or so? Wouldn’t that at least trigger some “hmm?”
Besides, my opinion surely is based on anecdotal knowledge of the past 3 decades and many talks with smokers. My “field-study” surely saw a correlation between general intellect and the usual self-lies about why “i love it sooo much”. Obviously not everybody able to lie to themselves to such an extent, is also dumb as a doornail.