Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this

• orioler25@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  For the joke, yes. But, also because I’m curious if you have a real critique besides “stinky and mean to me,” as I genuinely don’t have experience with that community, but have ran into a lot of uncritical “socialists” on fediverse stuff in general.

  Another funny thing here is you’ve done a lot of stuff that I don’t think you realize is telling of liberal thought, the infantalization is another big one, but you’ve hit almost everything. If your next comment is something about trans women, think we got a full row.

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  • Magnum@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You just know its Americans talking when they don’t even know what liberal means.

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    • orioler25@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Some were people who grew up in former Soviet states where simplified versions of socialist writing in the nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries were taught and they focused more heavily on the political structure of the communist state rather than the relationality and philosophical underpinnings of Marxism and socialism; structuralist and postmodern ideas didn’t even seem to factor in.

      It’s true though, there has been a very intentional effort among liberals to appropriate socialist and communist ideas into their rhetoric as they have feminist, queer, and African American theory under neoliberalism. I’ve had classes where I have to explain what “liberal” means because it’s pretty much assumed it’s going to be heard the same as “progressive,” which has also been deprived of meaning but over a much longer period of time. Euros are the same though, and on Lemmy especially since it’s a bit more distributed among American and European users for a bunch of reasons. You see it on other platforms, but on here there’s so many Europeans who straight up think they’re altruistic socialists but presume everyone else agrees that colonialism is over and Europe is reformed (corporations and international law is what isn’t colonialism apparently btw, lol)

      Liberalism is exceptional at appropriation because it has emerged over centuries of EuroAmerican imperialism and settler-colonialism, its main purpose is to steal.

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        I wish there was a way to break through to liberals. They’re able to see how fucking dumb conservatives are when they inoculate themselves against education by letting other conservatives tell them about wokeness, then do the same exact thing for anybody to their left.

        Has a single lib reading this thread looked at the communists saying “That’s not what dictatorship of the proletariat means” and didn’t immediately go “No, I know better, you want 1 single person in charge of everything and accountable to nobody and also you’re racist and like genocide”?

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