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Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this

ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

I have one already but it’s not a person, ofc. And I don’t know who they is/are, but what I do know is that the claim that people who are anti-Western imperialism and reject Western narratives are just misguided/the enemy is the same as before and whatever name they give it, the narratives stay the same. It’s a ghost they fight, I haven’t seen anyone say or allude to supporting oppressive, imperialist, “commie/socialist” policies. Basically, I haven’t seen actual tankies, if the term means anything.

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MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I guess we just disagree on what we consider to be oppressive. The term “tankie” was invented by UK leftists to criticize other leftists for their support of the USSR’s use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution and later in the Prague Spring as well. Therefore, any communists that defend the use of oppressive tactics are tankies, it’s really not that hard, and it’s not anti-leftist.

I don’t know what to say about how you haven’t seen it yourself, since it’s prevalent in essentially every online leftist space. Maybe you choose not to see what you don’t want to?

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- frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  “Tankies” didn’t come from a Western imperialist state
  
  The term “tankie” was invented by UK leftists to criticize other leftists for their support of the USSR’s use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution and later in the Prague Spring as well
  
  If you believe that the UK isn’t a Western imperialist state, I’ve got a bridge I’d like to see if you’re interested in buying
  
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  - MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I do, but “the UK” didn’t come up with that. Leftist living in the UK did. So that’s kind of irrelevant
    
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- ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Okay, fair and good definition but I really don’t think whatever .ml-vibed post or narrative that gains any traction, to the point of it being an integral part of the community’s ideology, upholds those tankie values. And, therefore, the reputation is unearned. And they may exist but I don’t interact much with those people because I’m a lil banned so I guess I don’t see all of their content, idk.
  
  And, circling back to OP’s case, I think the downvotes are a reaction to the narrative that “.ml is tankie” when they’re just anti-Western (like most of the world but that’s a different convo, they’re just anti-Western in Western online spaces), discarding the whole comment instead of “taking a side” because that would just give more weight to the narrative.
  
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  - MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    But they’re just… Not only anti-western. They are specifically pro-authoritarian and label anyone who criticizes that point of view as a “liberal” (even if that label makes no sense except in their own personal special definition). And then in other posts, the very same people call for the eventual violent removal of liberals. It doesn’t take a genius to see one thing is connected to the other.
    
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