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• teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They would! Unfortunately, that’s not how humans work. Why sit down and think about it when you can just take the other guy’s stuff?

  And if you’re not good at thinking, how are you supposed to know when the guy you’re sitting down with isn’t just bullshitting you?

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why sit down and think about it when you can just take the other guy’s stuff?

    The liberal would probably say something like “the social contract prevents this kind of behavior, enlightenment thinking, etc.” The materialist would point out that behavior is exactly what society is organized around, because we have mutually exclusive class interests with the people doing the taking.

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    • Jaycifer@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What do you think idealism and materialism mean when you use them?

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Broadly, here’s the wikipedia page. In this exact context, Idealism is the belief that human development and conflict is a conflict between ideas, as opposed to physical reality. You may see this framed as “great men and their ideas”.

        Materialism on the other hand holds that human development is a product of material conditions, specifically around ones relationship with the mode of production.

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• deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah, sometimes you just gotta kill those who disagree.

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait until you hear how the philosophy of the ruling class achieves and maintains dominance.

    Hint: It’s not by calm, measured debate with the people it oppresses.

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re clearly baiting something.

    Haven’t you ever heard the saying that it’s difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it?

    This alone should tell you that you sometimes need more than just ideas. Like, sometimes you need to cut their salary.

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