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• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is intrinsic to idealist thinking. Liberals literally think history is a struggle of ideas and the most correct ones will win if everyone just sits down and thinks about it.

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  • teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They would! Unfortunately, that’s not how humans work. Why sit down and think about it when you can just take the other guy’s stuff?

    And if you’re not good at thinking, how are you supposed to know when the guy you’re sitting down with isn’t just bullshitting you?

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why sit down and think about it when you can just take the other guy’s stuff?

      The liberal would probably say something like “the social contract prevents this kind of behavior, enlightenment thinking, etc.” The materialist would point out that behavior is exactly what society is organized around, because we have mutually exclusive class interests with the people doing the taking.

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      • Jaycifer@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What do you think idealism and materialism mean when you use them?

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  • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, sometimes you just gotta kill those who disagree.

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    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wait until you hear how the philosophy of the ruling class achieves and maintains dominance.

      Hint: It’s not by calm, measured debate with the people it oppresses.

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    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re clearly baiting something.

      Haven’t you ever heard the saying that it’s difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it?

      This alone should tell you that you sometimes need more than just ideas. Like, sometimes you need to cut their salary.

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• Signtist@bookwyr.me ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I stopped thinking this way when I realized why the tortoise wins the race and not the hare. People often just… don’t do things they should do, even when they’re aware of their responsibilities, and understand how easy it would be. Like reassessing your beliefs when confronted with a fact you can’t argue with - it’s easy to do, but people just… don’t. This just didn’t click for me. For decades I thought everyone would naturally have the motivation to do something simple, maybe not right away, but eventually.

  Slow and steady wins the race not because it’s better than being quick and nimble, but because the person who can do it effortlessly knows how easy it would be, and puts it off to the point where it never gets done. So the person who gets off their ass and gets things done will win even if they’re slow. The motivation to do things is more important than the skill to do them easily.

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  • youcantreadthis@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In my experience people stop thinking because it would put them in conflict with the people and institutions they’re attached to or relybon for patronage there is no morality or laziness involved its just politics

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    • Signtist@bookwyr.me ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think that’s a reason why they might choose not to change their minds, but often it seems that they don’t even think about it enough to get to that point. It’s not so much “I may be wrong, but I still want to get along with my friends who agree with me” as it is “I don’t know why you’re wrong… but I’ve decided that you still are.” The difference is that, even if they don’t have any groups anchoring them to it, people still hold tightly to their opinion.

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      • youcantreadthis@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Groups and other perceived interests the shit people think is important to their lives gets crazy like anti communism as a whole thing how many people who were staunch anti communists would have been any worse under it really

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