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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

It’s not a joke, there’s been studies done that prove it.

I mean, more that it’s a joke that we have to sit in an office for 8+ hours to do 3 hours of work.

So 4 hours of an 8 hour shift is wasted.

I think it’s unreasonable to call it “wasted”. Like telling a pro-athlete “if you’re not running the ball continuously for every minute of the game you’re wasting your potential”.

Some of it is socializing (which has knock on benefits). Some of it is simply resting/recovery (because intellectual labor takes real energy and people get exhausted). Some of it is bureaucracy.

The real gains of IT are in the speed of data transfer and processing. That saves human labor to a degree, but it also proliferates the labor. Excel allows every Mom & Pop accounting firm to do what required an army of NASA “computers” 60 years ago. But because everyone is doing this level of rigorous, high speed accounting, it actually requires more overall work, not less.

The individuals in question are no more or less efficient today. They were taking coffee breaks, long lunches, and clocking out early to play golf at NASA, too.

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SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

I think it’s unreasonable to call it “wasted”. Like telling a pro-athlete “if you’re not running the ball continuously for every minute of the game you’re wasting your potential”.

Marathon runners take no breaks. If you’re requireing constant breaks due to mental fatigue, like any other muscle training and work it.

How do you think tradesman handle working 8 hour shifts with only a 30 minute break? They’re constantly on their feet, being physical, they are also doing calculations, looking around at their surroundings in case something is wrong or going to happen.

So yes, it is in fact wasted.

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  Marathon runners take no breaks.
  
  Marathon runners take breaks between every marathon. Runners can require nearly a month of downtime between races in order to perform optimally.
  
  How do you think tradesman handle working 8 hour shifts with only a 30 minute break?
  
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  So yes, it is in fact wasted.
  
  Resting isn’t wasted time any more than sleeping is.
  
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  - SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Right, but they handle the full shift of their duties in that time, and get their REST after. They get no breaks.
    
    Thank you, that’s a union job, makes my point quite well, other tradesman would be canned for doing that. They can go a full shift without breaks.
    
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    Thank you, that’s a union job
    
    That’s just a job. If you think people are working harder without a union, you’d be surprised. More often they’re being paid less to do less work, because the workers aren’t trained by their veteran peers to manage themselves.
    
    The suffocating bureaucratization of the corporate world tends to make work sites more difficult and dangerous to navigate, tires people out more quickly, and ends up with exactly this kind of “six guys staring at a hole in the ground while one guy works” dynamic - because corporate only delegated one shovel for six people, to save money.
    
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  - prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Just because people are standing around, does not mean that they are all “lazy” construction workers fyi. Any number of them could be engineers or municipal employees.
    
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