Comment on What’s the difference between communism and socialism?
Svartis@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
There are many different defenitions of it, the one i go with is that in an socialist society the “means of production” (factorys and such) are run by the workers there in an democratic way. In communism the society woulf be run without states and with no money as well as there bring no classes (like workers, labdlords, politicans or bosses) The various states that claim and claimed to be socialist or communists aren’t fulfilling these conditions as to why many people say that these aren’t examples of socialism/communism
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People say that because it’s true. There is nowhere outside of a few scattered households that has ever been the platonic ideal of either communism or socialism.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Communism of a sort existed…in tribes.
angrystego@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’d count those as the scattered households.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The basic idea is the same. No state needed. People function to help each other, etc.
Sorry, I’m a big David Graeber guy and he made a point to discuss this in some of his work.
I don’t know if you’re in software, but IMO communism is like agile. It works well at small scale, but once a community loses autonomy and division of labor becomes a thing…it’s over.
Socialism is an attempt at SAFE (scaled agile framework for enterprise). IMO it doesn’t really work, but I do like the idea of having markets where it makes sense, and having social programs that are not profit motivated…so basically Bernie’s position.