yes, kibbutz, amish, etc. small deeply religions communities are communist and socialist in their society and it’s governance.
these are genuinely socialist/communist ways of living. they also are religious fundamentalists.
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kepix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
was there a good implementation of either one?
AskewLord@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It seems like all the best examples of communism/socialism happen at a small scale, and the large scale examples (USSR, China) seem to just lead to dictatorship and human rights abuses. So maybe the solution is just living in small communities? I don’t know.
angelmountain@lemy.nl 2 weeks ago
I lived in a Northern European country through the 90s: definitely yes. Not perfect, but it was quite good really.
a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
What do you miss about it?
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not a communist but I do think the USSR was a very successful socialism state. Yes, it was poor - but the wealth of a nation isn’t solely tied to the economic system it uses. Russia already had a history of famines, corruption, drinking problems, and was super lacking in technology. And then it also over extended itself for imperialist reasons/spreading socialism (whichever sounds better to you).
And yes it was ruled by some nasty people. But Stalin and Lenin achieved a wonderful turnaround from a wartorn 3rd-world absolute monarchy into a modernised industrialised state that sent spacecraft to the moon and Venus.
If you look into how they expanded their railroads, I mean wow. No capitalist state has done it the way they did. Some precise micromanaging, the persuasion of foreign engineers to settle down in Russia. Stalin got to live like a strategy gamer playing city skylines his entire life.
Instead of asking “was there a perfect implementation of x ideology,” which there has never been for any ideology, we should ask “are there successful implementations of X ideas?” And for socialism, the answer is a resounding yes. People will say that the Nordic states aren’t socialist (instead being “social democracies”) but they undoubtedly implement socialist ideas.
Universal health care - more successful than private health care
Trade unions
Maternity leave…
a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Thats not exclusive to Europe, we have that here in Canada too
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True, I didn’t mean to tie it to nordic states like that I just wanted to list some successful socialist ideas
AskewLord@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
USSR’s success was largely fueled my mass murder, political oppression, and lying about economic growth.
they were ‘good’ at centralizing power to achieve certain goals, like military and the space race, but their economy outside of such priority areas, was in shambles. their agricultural and industrial capacity was terrible.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agriculture yes, industrial capacity no.
AskewLord@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
dude it took years for anyone to get a car. shortages of basic things like office supplies were common outside of the government, etc
it was shit outside of military production, because basically it all went to military production.