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• lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not that the Palestinian Authority is doing a great job at helping the people on the ground. The Two State Solution (and therefore Palestinian statehood) isn’t liberation either.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Palestinian statehood is necessary for the protection of the Palestinian people against Israel. The “two-state solution” isn’t a solution, sure, but it is better than the current status, and the actual solution is a single Palestinian state until states can wither away.

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    • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To be clear: I do rally together with people who want a one state solution because I see it more as solidarity with the Palestinian people and even more as a protest against the involvement of my state in sending weapons to Israel. While I want to abolish all states (and I don’t believe in the withering away narrative), the focus should be my state. Not because it’s the worst but the one I have influence over. I leave it to the Palestinians to protest Hamas and PA, I protest the system that led to them.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not really sure what you mean by “not believing in yhe withering away narrative.” The basis of the state, ie the political structures for ensuring the supremacy of a given class, is the class struggle. States arose when classes arose, not the other way around. Once a worker state has collectivized all production and distribution, the class struggle gradually dies away, and with it special political mechanisms for ensuring worker supremacy. All that remains is administration and management in a classless society, stateless and all.

        Either way, as much as I personally align more with groups like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, I understand that they are a minority faction. Palestine’s path to social progress can only truly become unfetteted when it is liberated from genocide. Palestinians by and large are not protesting Hamas, and the Resistance is largely unified at this present moment against a common enemy.

        In that sense, I agree, as activists and organizers outside of Palestine, it’s on us to focus on our own governments for supporting Israel’s settler-colonial project and genocide. The reaction to Israel is created by Israel’s own oppression, this is straight from Fanon’s analysis of nationalist resistance to colonialism. The people of Palestine have chosen the unified resistance, with Hamas as the largest faction, to break free of their chains. Any movement towards socialism will come after breaking free of Israel.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m begging liberals to either read theory, study actual material conditions, or just use basic common sense instead of relying exclusively on libertarian brainworms and propaganda.

    It is historically impossible for a great people even to discuss internal problems of any kind seriously, as long as it lacks national independence.

    An international movement of the proletariat is possible only among independent nations.

    So long as Poland is partitioned and subjugated, therefore, neither a strong socialist party can develop in the country itself, nor can there arise real international intercourse between the proletarian parties in Germany, etc, with other than émigré Poles. Every Polish peasant or worker who wakes up from the general gloom and participates in the common interest, encounters first the fact of national subjugation. This fact is in his way everywhere as the first barrier. To remove it is the basic condition of every healthy and free development. Polish socialists who do not place the liberation of their country at the head of their programme, appear to me as would German socialists who do not demand first and foremost repeal of the socialist law, freedom of the press, association and assembly. In order to be able to fight one needs first a soil to stand on, air, light and space. Otherwise all is idle chatter.

    • Karl Marx

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    • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m begging liberals to either read theory, study actual material conditions, or just use basic common sense instead of relying exclusively on libertarian brainworms and propaganda.

      That’s totally the language to use when you try to convince people (not to listen to you). What even qualifies as theory? I’m confident I read more books by David Graeber for example. I didn’t read too much JC Scott yet but he wrote a book The Art Of Not Being Governed I heard about where he interviewed and lived with people in the Golden Triangle. You might want to check it out but it might contradict your holy scripture theory. Also, I’m sure you heard of Rojava and I don’t think they would do any better if they formed a state. They even went from an ML national liberation movement to what they are now.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Literally can’t cite any leftist author on anything ever without people jumping down my throat with this “holy scripture” crap.

        You should study Marx regardless of your own beliefs and ideology if for no other reason than how much his ideas have shaped history. You can disagree with him all you like, contrary to what you instantly jump to whenever anyone quotes him on anything, Marx is not “holy scripture” and I’m more than happy to listen to critiques, and make them myself. But you should have a basic familiarity with what he believed and the basic outlines of arguments regarding the National Question before dropping uninformed takes and declaring everyone else as wrong. Otherwise, you’re doing the political equivalent of someone who never studied physics declaring that they’ve invented a perpetual motion machine and that all of physics is wrong.

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