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Bababasti@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Including Palestinian statehood? Rather than thinking all states need to be dismantled equally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on the worst ones while protecting the establishment of progressive ones, like Palestine?

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  • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Critical analysis is like critical thought; absent from liberals and anarchists.

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  • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not that the Palestinian Authority is doing a great job at helping the people on the ground. The Two State Solution (and therefore Palestinian statehood) isn’t liberation either.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Palestinian statehood is necessary for the protection of the Palestinian people against Israel. The “two-state solution” isn’t a solution, sure, but it is better than the current status, and the actual solution is a single Palestinian state until states can wither away.

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      • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        To be clear: I do rally together with people who want a one state solution because I see it more as solidarity with the Palestinian people and even more as a protest against the involvement of my state in sending weapons to Israel. While I want to abolish all states (and I don’t believe in the withering away narrative), the focus should be my state. Not because it’s the worst but the one I have influence over. I leave it to the Palestinians to protest Hamas and PA, I protest the system that led to them.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m begging liberals to either read theory, study actual material conditions, or just use basic common sense instead of relying exclusively on libertarian brainworms and propaganda.

      It is historically impossible for a great people even to discuss internal problems of any kind seriously, as long as it lacks national independence.

      An international movement of the proletariat is possible only among independent nations.

      So long as Poland is partitioned and subjugated, therefore, neither a strong socialist party can develop in the country itself, nor can there arise real international intercourse between the proletarian parties in Germany, etc, with other than émigré Poles. Every Polish peasant or worker who wakes up from the general gloom and participates in the common interest, encounters first the fact of national subjugation. This fact is in his way everywhere as the first barrier. To remove it is the basic condition of every healthy and free development. Polish socialists who do not place the liberation of their country at the head of their programme, appear to me as would German socialists who do not demand first and foremost repeal of the socialist law, freedom of the press, association and assembly. In order to be able to fight one needs first a soil to stand on, air, light and space. Otherwise all is idle chatter.

      • Karl Marx

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      • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m begging liberals to either read theory, study actual material conditions, or just use basic common sense instead of relying exclusively on libertarian brainworms and propaganda.

        That’s totally the language to use when you try to convince people (not to listen to you). What even qualifies as theory? I’m confident I read more books by David Graeber for example. I didn’t read too much JC Scott yet but he wrote a book The Art Of Not Being Governed I heard about where he interviewed and lived with people in the Golden Triangle. You might want to check it out but it might contradict your holy scripture theory. Also, I’m sure you heard of Rojava and I don’t think they would do any better if they formed a state. They even went from an ML national liberation movement to what they are now.

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• Godric@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Based

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• cashsky@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And all showers dismantled equally

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• Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Communists want all States to be dismantled too, we just understand that this cannot be achieved while world capitalism exists.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    want all states to be dismantled

    create a monstrous authoritarian state in response

    Holy shit buddy, please at least give the Proletariat a chance, bloodydamn!

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    • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, the Soviets should have just dismantled the state, that would have totally not led to Nazis exterminating everyone between Berlin and the Urals as they claimed to desire! Dismantling socialist states is something you should totally realistically desire while there still exist capitalist and fascist empires! /s

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