Comment on Kevin Spacey cleared of sexually assaulting four men

• R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not guilty means there’s some doubt, no matter how small. The jury could be 99% sure he did it and (by the book) he should be found not guilty. It’s almost impossible to prove something like this, so stuff like this frequently gets not guilty verdicts regardless of whether they actually did it or not.

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  • ryno364@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not guilty means not guilty. Thats kind of how our justice system works.

    It’s a bit more reliable than a pitchfork mob on social media looking to fulfill their confirmation bias on someone that actually could be innocent.

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    • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Literally not how the justice system works lol. You have to prove them guilty beyond reasonable doubt (surely you’ve heard this phrase before), which means 100% proof.

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      • TheYang@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You have to prove them guilty beyond reasonable doubt (surely you’ve heard this phrase before), which means 100% proof

        That’s not true, because “beyond reasonable doubt” is usually interpreted very differently.
        You do not need 100% proof. Otherwise convictions would never happen.

        To stay with sexual assault cases, the defendant could always argue that Consensual Non Consent (Couples setting limits beforehand, and then after that acting like one party does not consent) was part of their kink, and happening at the time.
        No eyewitnesses, Video, or even written statements could completely rule out the possibility of (increasingly elaborate) consensual non-consent.

        And the same goes for anything else. Bank robbery? Well, I was hired to test their security. No Idea why they are now fucking me over, they probably don’t want to pay.

        Murder? I was told the weapon was a toy, and we were acting out a stage-play!

        anyway, you just need to proof beyond doubt that seems reasonable. Most of my examples above wouldn’t meet that requirement, depending on further circumstances.

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      • stu@lemmy.pit.ninja ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There are 2 burdens of proof in trials, 1 for civil trials, and 1 for criminal trials. Civil trials require a burden of proof “beyond a reasonable doubt” and it is much lower than the burden of proof required for criminal trials, which is “beyond a shadow of a doubt”. The burden of proof you are describing for Kevin Spacey’s criminal trial is actually “beyond a shadow of a doubt”, which essentially requires reliable eyewitnesses or a smoking gun, as they say.

        That said, Spacey also defeated a civil trial last October for a different set of accusations, so there is that 🤷

        I can’t claim to know the truth in he said/he said situations like these, but common sense would indicate that there’s probably some truth to multiple accusations of impropriety. Victims often don’t opt to speak out publicly and go to court unless they think they can win and scam artists are rare.

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  • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, that’s the beauty of a fair and independent judiciary. While we’re in a community that deals with cinama, may I advise you watch again Twelve angry men?

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