Comment on Kevin Spacey cleared of sexually assaulting four men

b000urns@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  He didn't get off on a technicality, a jury found him not guilty.

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  • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not guilty means there’s some doubt, no matter how small. The jury could be 99% sure he did it and (by the book) he should be found not guilty. It’s almost impossible to prove something like this, so stuff like this frequently gets not guilty verdicts regardless of whether they actually did it or not.

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    • ryno364@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not guilty means not guilty. Thats kind of how our justice system works.

      It’s a bit more reliable than a pitchfork mob on social media looking to fulfill their confirmation bias on someone that actually could be innocent.

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      • R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Literally not how the justice system works lol. You have to prove them guilty beyond reasonable doubt (surely you’ve heard this phrase before), which means 100% proof.

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    • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, that’s the beauty of a fair and independent judiciary. While we’re in a community that deals with cinama, may I advise you watch again Twelve angry men?

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• ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is there any actual evidence, he actually did all those things (without consent)?

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  • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there ever any actual evidence? Isn’t that precisely why sexual predators are able to get away with it so frequently?

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    • ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Without evidence, there’s nothing. It would mean, you, me and anyone else can be charged for “sexual predatory behavior” and prisoned for years. While we did not do anything at all.

      Not-guilty until proven is a thing.

      Also do you realize what this does to someone who’s not guilty? Wrecked career, wrecked mental health and reputation to the ground.

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      • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There's a lot of room between a court not having enough evidence to convict someone of a crime and that person having done zero wrongdoing, and society in general does a very bad job at navigating that grey space.

        Being cleared of charges doesn't mean someone isn't a bad person. At the same time, simply being accused doesn't mean that someone is a bad person. There's worlds of nuance here, but this is the internet - the place where nuance goes to die - so I don't bother having any expectations at this point.

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  • hungry_freaks_daddy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you can’t tell by how he looks, acts, the things he says, I’ve got nothin for ya.

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    • ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah so basically, there’s not. What you are saying is just your opinion based on zero evidence.

      Certainly you might not like someone or have same vague idea how the person might be. But that does not mean anything without evidence.

      With your mindset, everyone would be able to sue each other and everyone would be guilty. Because he that particular person “acts suspicious, says odd things and he looks weird!”

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      • hungry_freaks_daddy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There’s a fuckton more to it than that and you know it.

        How about the fact that every single one of the first four people that accused him died shortly thereafter? How about the creepy as fuck videos he posted with insane symbolism? How about the plethora of rumors that have persisted for years? How about the family guy joke? How about the interviews with people before they died? How about the fact that his accusers were male and then surprise surprise he comes out as gay? If it were bullshit it would have been fake women accusers before he outed himself.

        Aside from that, you have to get a good read on people. I’ve despised spacey since the first movie I saw him in. He essentially plays the same character in the majority of his movies. Which is himself. He’s worn a smirk on his face, on film, for decades that just screams absolute creep.

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• HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yes exactly. I am a weak and shallow human being who likes his movies and TV shows and hates having to think twice about bad people doing bad things. But everyone seems to consider that my position is unacceptable so I will go back to hating Spacey like everyone else because you know, I am weak and shallow.

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  • Inanna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Based

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