Comment on How do I actually find a job that isn't retail?

• EndOfLine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This right here.

  Annecdotal, but I have never worked for a company nor in a team that did not have a fair share of people that took the work experience route instead of the school route. It took them longer to get to the jobs fresh college grads were applying for and they had to work some shit jobs on the way, but that real-world experience gave them a perspective that college never could and it was a valued resource that provided immense benefits to the teams they worked with.

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• AskewLord@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Statistically, no there aren’t. Just because you know some people who did well in life, doesn’t mean they exist in abundance.

  The vast majority of people with median or higher incomes are educated, or skilled, and those who high incomes are highly educated and highly skilled.

  unless OP is gifted in manipulation and/or amoral, and willing to fleece scam and exploit other people, it’s very unlikely they will have a great job without education and skills. And many people with education and skills, are still underemployed and struggling.

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  • CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    None of what you say is wrong. Statistically speaking you’re making two mistakes:

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    You are overemphasizing what is the primary path for most and concluding that everything else should be excluded. Why cut someone struggling from 31.46% of the jobs that don’t fit the optimal 1st standard distribution?

    It literally isn’t as rare as you think. I know a great many overeducated and unemployed as well as a great many high-school dropouts that are Entrepreneurs, Sr Consulting Software Architects and Successful Artists.

    When someone is struggling, consider the normal path might be why. A broader approach that doesn’t prejudice viable alternatives for the crime of being “not the most popular option” is prefferrable.

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    • AskewLord@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oh totally. I mean, if OP is only 5’9” they should just magically grow 6 inches, that will surely solve their employment! So easy!

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      • CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Argumentum absurdum is a stinky cologne. I recomend you try a different body mist.

        If you stoped repeating the same mistakes over and over again and tried to think “where could I be right” instead of “can you find a wrong and disprove” you would be a more reasonable person to talk to.

        E.g. (cause you clearly need it)

        You think the rarity of Bill Gates disproves my point. I say a friend who is neurodivergent and a high school drop out literally just bought cleaning supplies and started going door to door to businesses on a strip asking if they needed a good scrubbing. He did a few gigs on the spot for pocket change, but quickly found several of the 2nd story offices were displeased with their after-hours cleaning contractors. A few offered a trial to prove my dude could do a good job. Once proven they offered annual contracts. Boom! Entrepreneur. Today he has 3 vans and 7 employees. Still doesn’t know what standard deviation is.

        This type of opportunity is everywhere. I could go on all day. But why? The point is made and you’ll either get it, or not.

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  • Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hmmm. Almost everyone I know has worked their way up to being successful. I guess it’s the company you keep.

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  • communism@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Statistically it’s rare for an adult to be 120cm tall, therefore there exist no adults who are 120cm tall. Statistically it’s rare for someone to be in government, therefore there are no politicians in the world. Statistically it’s rare to be an astronaut, therefore astronauts don’t exist.

    And all the examples I mentioned are far more rare than simply self-taught people working in the field they taught themselves. Majority of the friends I have in programming jobs are self-taught with no formal education beyond high school (if that). It’s of course highly dependent on field, and the market is saturated enough with CS graduates now that getting a programming job without a degree is going to be pretty hard, but my point is that it depends on the labour market. Some labour markets don’t care about a piece of paper declaring you went to school. There’s other ways to fill your CV and prove you have a skill.

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