It’s like a parking ticket. Is everyone who had a traffic violation now an illegal person?
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morkyporky@suppo.fi 5 months agoYes it is. Holy fuck.
zbyte64@awful.systems 5 months ago
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
zbyte64@awful.systems 5 months ago
“fail to participate in the legal system”
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 months ago
American immigration system is dystopian as fuck.
morkyporky@suppo.fi 5 months ago
Oh a parking ticket, like you get when you’re parking illegally? portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01986
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 months ago
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
Existing isn’t a crime.
morkyporky@suppo.fi 5 months ago
I never said anything about jail. Just that being undocumented is in fact illegal. The rest is just you projecting your morals onto a simple statement of fact.
zbyte64@awful.systems 5 months ago
Yes, exactly like that. The act is illegal. Not the person
morkyporky@suppo.fi 5 months ago
Right so you would agree that being undocumented is in fact illegal?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 months ago
nope, it’s a civil violation, not a crime.
but what do Americans care about facts.
morkyporky@suppo.fi 5 months ago
The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well, you’re an illegal driver.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Dude, please, seriously, chill.
I do not wish to go down to your level and start yelling like a toddler who shat my pants.
morkyporky@suppo.fi 5 months ago
You can’t yell on the internet you little bitch. And if you start insulting people don’t be surprised if they insult you back. You little bitch. Give your balls a tug.