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• flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Eating eggs -> financially supporting a system where male chicks get either immediately killed after birth or more rarely are later killed for their meat. Also it is supporting a system where chickens are bred to produce as many eggs as fast as possible, which means a life of torture to them

  Drinking milk -> financially supporting a system where cows are continuously impregnated against their will and where their offspring is immediately taken from them and killed for their meat (I think this is done yearly). Also it is supporting a system where cows are bred to produce as much milk as fast as possible, which means a life of torture to them

  There are certainly many more atrocities happening, but I’m trying not to think too often of that stuff

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  • Tonava@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also just supporting bad agriculture in general, since pesticides kill crazy amounts of stuff, deforestation, giant monoculture fields suffocating native wildlife, producing the fertilizers unethically, transporting stuff half across the world needlessly… if you do anything the “optimize profits” -way things get shitty. All of these things apply to plant based diets as well, but vegans often focus on the whole chain of ethical and ecological problems whereas vegetarians tend to focus more to the personal level of things. So even what plant products they buy and consume might have some big differences in ecological impact and ethical concerns

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    • flora_explora@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hm, I think there is a clearer ethical distinction between vegetarians and vegans. But this doesn’t necessarily translate towards the participation in our capitalist system.

      For example, I’m a long-time vegan but due to my financially very limited resources I mostly buy cheap conventional food, even vegan meat substitutes from actual meat companies (they are way cheaper). In contrast, a friend of mine is living vegetarian, but she works on an organic farm. So she works towards a more sustainable agriculture while also consuming nearly only organic products.

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      • Tonava@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh for sure, I made a very broad generalization there, to simplify the point. Just someone trying to live ethically and using only local products, but eating meat (hunted, organic, etc. locally small scale, animal suffering minimized and all that) could very well have a lesser ecological impact than someone being vegan but relying on imported soy etc. In my experience vegans are just the most likely to even think about this stuff since veganism usually goes further than just being about a diet, but that doesn’t mean all vegans do, or that a lot of non-vegans don’t.

        And having the possibility to choose options based only on ethics and sustainability of course is a privilege a lot of people just don’t have

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• sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would guess by eating diary, eggs, leather, etc. I heard this take just yesterday, and I can see a point, because most animal industries don’t treat animals well even when it’s not about killing the animal

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  • Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    leather is mainly a waste product, no one actually kills animals for their skins (except animals that are valuable to humans only for their skin but those are the exception), so idk if i would count the use of leather :shrug:

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