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The city ultimately determined the intersection did not meet the required traffic volume for additional stop signs

For the record, this is 100% a lie. Every single warrant document (list of criteria) used by an engineer will have two magic words written at the bottom of the list:

“Engineering judgement.”

That means there is no such thing as a “required traffic volume” for a stop sign or any other kind of signal or marking. If the engineer, in his professional judgement, agrees that one is warranted, it’s warranted.

Engineers who hide behind things like warrants, pretending their hands are tied by them, are cowards and aren’t doing their jobs properly.

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magiccupcake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
If 50 people sign a petition, you don’t need to do a study. Just put in the fucking stop sign.

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Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Even if the vehicle traffic didn’t meet some imaginary quota, that says nothing of the pedestrian traffic. Just another signal of our car-centric society.

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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  That’s typically one of the warrants. In addition to vehicle, bicycle, and pedestrian volumes, other warrants include things like vehicle approach speed, sight distance, and crash statistics.
  
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NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
There are stop signs in the middle of nowhere Ohio, where there’s literally a few cars on the road a day. I don’t see how volume should come into play when you’re next to a playground.

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- Angrydeuce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Yeah here in WI too. Like on 55mph state highways in the literal middle of nowhere, as in the intersection is corn fields on every quadrant.
  
  Its weird, but of course I stop. Im only ever stopping for the corn, but I aint trying to have some cop come flying out of the corn and tear my ass up either lol
  
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HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
There is usually some guidance, although the regulations are usually written with more wiggle room than structural standards because of varying site conditions.

However, the hill causing an increase to the speed of the car and that the area has a known pedestrian draw to it would tip the scales more towards installing a stop sign.

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