Eating a tapeworm also makes you lose weight, doesn’t mean it’s healthy. Not everyone can starve themselves thin in a healthy way.
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Viceversa@lemmy.world 7 months agoYet, cico works.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Viceversa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You don’t need to “starve” yourself. That journey can be milder (though longer).
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This is what you’re not getting. Some people do. Just getting to the point of not feeling like they’re starving puts them over their calories out.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Can you monitor your health while cico?
bizarroland@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You have completely missed the point of my entire rant.
Cico works, but “o” is a variable that can vary wildly from person to person based on environmental, genetic, and nutritional factors.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes. And you can carefully select the value for your case.
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 7 months ago
The only way to find it is to eat less and less ubtil yiu lose weight tbh. Cico is vacuously true.
captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m confused. Your original comment was worded as if it stood in contradiction to cico.
Does not what you said just boil down to cico works, but knowing how much energy your body uses on a daily average (o in cico) is difficult to know and to not trust random values on the internet?
bizarroland@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My original, original comment was that your BMR is not as sure as everyone claims it is on the internet.
If you go look up your BMR, it’ll ask you your height and weight and age and gender and give you a number of calories you’re going to automatically burn every single day, like it’s gospel truth.
And if I stuck to that number, I would gain roughly 20 pounds a year, at least until the increase in weight and my metabolism and my calories actually balanced out.
Which means that finding out the O in CICO can be much more difficult for some people than other people.
And once your metabolism is fucked, there’s not exactly a whole lot of information out there on how to unfuck it, other than “stay on a diet”, which, as you’ve just seen, isn’t necessarily isn’t easy, there’s not hard numbers to follow, and “exercise”, which is fine, but probably what I actually need to do is put on muscle, which means eating calories above how many I’m burning so that my body has the fuel to create more muscle.
So if I want to fix my body and lose the last 30 pounds I’m trying to lose, what I actually need to do is overeat until I put on like 10 pounds of muscle and then eat a high protein diet to maintain that muscle while I’m eating low carbs and low calories overall so that I can burn off as much of the fat as possible.
The problem is to put on 10 pounds of muscle can take 6 months to a year, which means all of the discipline I’ve had in maintaining my diet now has to change in order to fix my body, which now has to change in order to fix my metabolism, so that I can then go back to doing what I’m doing now and have it actually work the way it’s supposed to.
And the worst part is that’s just a theory. I don’t know any evidence that is, I don’t have any way of proving that. I do know that a pound of muscle burns like four calories more per day than a pound of fat does, so that will improve my daily fat burn by 40 calories, which isn’t exactly the 200 calories I’m under, but there’s no fucking way in hell I’m gonna put on 50 pounds of muscle unless I start taking steroids.
So, going back to your original thing, I was never saying CICO did not work. I was saying that, once again, you have to actually know what the O is, and it’s not the same for everyone, and it’s not always easy to find out, and if it’s fucked, it’s not easy to fix.
The people that love going “CICO! CICO!”, always overlook the actual complexity of the argument.
captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Simple ≠ easy
The equation is simple. Actually losing weight is difficult. This is what confused me about your first comment, I couldn’t tell if you were saying that it was not simple or not easy. And as you said, losing weight could be lost as either fat or muscle. If your energy intake is less than what you need to sustain your body, the body will take from your reserves (could be fat or muscles).
I am sure there are complexites to this that I am missing, like what happens if you were to starve then start eating again. The advise I find to be the best is to try to find a diet that you can maintain indefinitely. That does not mean to never eat ice cream, it means to eat less ice cream. If you are eating one bag of chips per day, make it once a weak. Did you eat X today, don’t eat Y as well
Gaining muscles though, all I know about that is mostly nothing so I won’t speak on it.