Comment on When you're the last one on the bus and instantly start living like this

• boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Cars aren’t paid for by taxpayers. Roads are, true, but then both buses and cars need those anyway and buses do far more damage.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Lmao leave it to Lemmy to downvote basic facts like “heavier vehicles cause more wear to roads.”

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And not linearly more wear either. It’s the fourth power of axle load.

      My 2 ton car (rounded up) is a ton per axle, a 12 ton bus (empty weight of a common city bus here) is 6 or 4 tons per axle. 3rd axle seems to be more common in buses weighing 15 tons or more (empty). So let’s say 6x more weight per axle. That’s 1296 times more wear.

      That doesn’t mean I hate public transit but it does mean it comes with additional hidden costs to the taxpayer. Well, buses do at least. The whole equation is rather different for trains.

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  • mathemachristian@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I feel like people should be paying their taxes even if they own a car

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      They’re paying more taxes if they do own cars though?

      All I was saying that it’s technically a waste of taxpayer money to run buses half empty so it’s inefficient. Yes, cars are inefficient too, but that extra cost lies more on the car owners themselves and it’s voluntary.

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      • mathemachristian@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No it’s not voluntary if public transit gets dismantled look at the US. Running buses half-empty is also more efficient by your calculation if all those people were driving a car. That’s by your calculation 2 ton/person road wear and not whatever it was for busses.

        Cars need to go.

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