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• nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Don’t hate systemd for age verification

  Hate systemd for its monolithic, anti-Unix design pattern

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ok. Here’s the thing. I don’t know how linux works. I don’t know what systemd is. All I know is that all around the world we got clowns who know less about linux than I do trying to dictate the entire worldwide internet to cater to their specific geographical location, regardless of where the user is.

    Then I hear systemd is openly trying to bow at the knee before these laws are even in effect.

    And yes, the current system is you as a user inputting your birthday with zero verification.

    But the gov of california has already said that before these laws go into effect they’ll be looking for stricter laws with checks in place. These systems are not in place now. Nor do they even know what they will turn out to be.

    When asked about this, the gov said “We’re working on it.”

    Then systemd comes along, ready to bend all of linux to their whims. So I put two and two together and decided this whole thing is pissing me off.

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    • ozymandias@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Here’s the thing. I don’t know how linux works. I don’t know what systemd is.

      Let me stop you right there

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  • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Systemd isn’t monolithic, it’s a pluggable framework with a shit load of components

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    • greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      ok so tell me why I’m waiting for networking to come up before I’m allowed to interact with my computer

      Also, its monolithic as heck, its a giant squid into my networking, time management, access control…

      Ontop of that… binary logs ew.

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      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ok so tell me why I’m waiting for networking to come up before I’m allowed to interact with my computer

        Because your distro sets up stuff weirdly? At least I never noticed networkd to be a dependency of multi-user.target, could be wrong though.

        Also, its monolithic as heck, its a giant squid into my networking, time management, access control…

        That’s all optional though, many distros just use it because it’s easier than the alternatives.

        Ontop of that… binary logs ew.

        Yeah, that’s indeed stupid. No clue why they did that.

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      • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pervasive, yes. Deeply embedded in the district that is it, absolutely. And I get why people don’t like binary logs, although that isn’t exactly relevant to monolithic vs pluggable.

        You seem to think that I’m arguing against your opinion that systemd is bad. I’m not. I’m arguing against the false statement that it is monolithic. It isn’t. It’s modular, like the linux kernel. If you wanted to remove every component except the init system, you could. Big pain in the ass to do that, but you could.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It replicates a lot of unix tooling poorly, binds the to the Systemd framework and only runs on Linux. So, still a monolith.

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      • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s … not what monolithic means, in software architecture

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